In a conversation I had with Adam it was mentioned that firings are about 2-3 months out but they are coming. I am sure that I may be a guinea pig for it. I hated it last time not bc I got fired - but because I had no chance to get a mid major after working a while to get to a big 6. That part seems to have solved itself.

Posted by dunkonyou on 5/6/2021 9:59:00 AM (view original):
There is a coach in the ACC in Crum who in the last 5 seasons has a record of 1-134. That is not a misprint. 1 win and 134 losses. He remains employed.

OFF WITH HIS HEAD! :)

Posted by dude48241 on 5/6/2021 1:10:00 PM (view original):
In a conversation I had with Adam it was mentioned that firings are about 2-3 months out but they are coming. I am sure that I may be a guinea pig for it. I hated it last time not bc I got fired - but because I had no chance to get a mid major after working a while to get to a big 6. That part seems to have solved itself.

I'm definitely going to be a case study for this too. I just picked up an Illinois team in Phelan sitting at a C+ with 4 walk-ons and a bunch of crap sim recruits. I honestly doubt this team will even win a game this year. Making an NT in 4-5 seasons could even be a stretch, but with an A+ baseline, I feel like the expectation will probably be higher.

You mean lower?

Posted by mullycj on 5/6/2021 6:22:00 PM (view original):
You mean lower?

Semantics. I meant higher expectations in general. So fewer than 5 seasons to get an A+ baseline school back to the NT.

Starting at a C+ with the cupboards bare and in a tough conference, I’m not sure how realistic that is, but we’ll see.

Posted by slayterhill on 5/6/2021 4:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dude48241 on 5/6/2021 1:10:00 PM (view original):
In a conversation I had with Adam it was mentioned that firings are about 2-3 months out but they are coming. I am sure that I may be a guinea pig for it. I hated it last time not bc I got fired - but because I had no chance to get a mid major after working a while to get to a big 6. That part seems to have solved itself.

I'm definitely going to be a case study for this too. I just picked up an Illinois team in Phelan sitting at a C+ with 4 walk-ons and a bunch of crap sim recruits. I honestly doubt this team will even win a game this year. Making an NT in 4-5 seasons could even be a stretch, but with an A+ baseline, I feel like the expectation will probably be higher.

Increasing firings only makes sense if it’s based on the prestige of the program at the point of coach change, rather than baseline. And even then, it only makes sense if you’re given a good long time to get your own recruits in the door.

Relegation and promotion makes so much more sense than firing in a game like this. Keep the job, (thereby keeping the players you recruit, and their history), but your school is moved up and down the conference ladder based on performance. Forcibly separating folks from a program they’ve built or are trying to build is basically telling them you don’t want their money. What’s the point?

I hesitate to even bring this into the conversation, but we know this is going to increase shenanigans and paranoia about shenanigans, right? Like we’re intentionally raising the stakes on maintaining a winning program season after season, and that’s going to have predictable results in all sorts of gameplay behavior. More recruiting cartels? Drafts? Throwing conference tournaments? Better believe it. Multiple accounts will be only the beginning.

Posted by slayterhill on 5/6/2021 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 5/6/2021 6:22:00 PM (view original):
You mean lower?

Semantics. I meant higher expectations in general. So fewer than 5 seasons to get an A+ baseline school back to the NT.

Starting at a C+ with the cupboards bare and in a tough conference, I’m not sure how realistic that is, but we’ll see.

Thats what I thought you meant. And I disagree.

Tough to rebuild dumpster fires that quick. You need to get all your players in and even then the first few classes are with a **** prestige.
Maybe post season in 5 season but not NT.

where can we see these posts by admin about planned changes in firings?

Posted by fd343ny on 5/6/2021 10:53:00 PM (view original):
where can we see these posts by admin about planned changes in firings?

From the forum topic "new job logic topic"


Change is different and some people think its scary but if you think we are going to keep new users by making them wait 10-20 seasons before they can sniff a Big 6 job, that's not the way. The counter to this is working on a real tangible firing logic so that if coaches cannot sustain at those schools we find a factually and objectively open the job back up.

-Adam
3/17/2021 10:27 AM

They'll be announcing in the next few weeks with implementation coming in 4-6 months so we'll have plenty of time to see what is planned and discuss before it goes live.

Shoe brings up an unfortunate but realistic point - collusion. Not sure how moderators eyeball that, but a valid topic.

I think a reasonable # of lousy seasons should obviously result in firing/retirement. It's plainly realistic, no reasonable person could deny that. Almost nobody coaches a team for 30+ seasons for goodness sake, a "retirement age/tenure" should be determined, perhaps requiring a change of school after a certain period/failure level at the very least. That ACC/Crum joker should obviously have been fired well before 5 seasons with a single total win. Ridiculous. I'd love to take part in any discussion of how those details are determined.

I think adjusting D1 team baselines after every - say, every 6-12 HD seasons - is totally a totally realistic expectation and should be implemented by Admin. The question might be if it should be based on real-life or take into account world-life.

Lots of action in this regard should be taken IMO.

D1 team baseline has been a highly debated topic since I first played HD in 2005. I would LOVE to see it as liquid and changeable per world with decades os success.

As far as firings, it would be a great idea to add a pity timer, so that teams without a win or lack any recruiting (for 3-seasons) automatically get fired. But we need firings or a change in how team baseline prestige works. Otherwise, the world(s) will be stuck in limbo.

Back when I first played HD you had firings, not very often, but they were there and you usually received messages from admin letting you know that your job was on the line. I'm sure something like this can be put back in place. It would be great if you were offered jobs when you are an overachieving low/mid-major school. For example, before jobs are open, the admin reaches out to 1 coach who would be the college's #1 choice and guarantee the coach that job.

Posted by dunkonyou on 5/6/2021 9:59:00 AM (view original):
There is a coach in the ACC in Crum who in the last 5 seasons has a record of 1-134. That is not a misprint. 1 win and 134 losses. He remains employed.

That my friends should be the first firing.

the guy who lost 134 or the guy who lost to him?