Posted by mikemundt on 8/29/2021 6:49:00 AM (view original):
Not to be a jerk or pedantic but just want to ensure my personal understanding as I prepare.

(1) Players from the four unused franchises are draft eligible but not subject to becoming FA's after 5 seasons, correct? Only players whose first season is 1970 become FA's at the conclusion of their fifth season?

(2) It looks like there was a significant trade involving an unused franchise (Washington) and California (one of the 20 used). All players involved belong to California unless not kept, correct?

(3) A player rostered to the team chosen in 1970 remains the property of that team throughout their career even though they go on to play for several more teams, correct? For example, Nolan Ryan belongs to the Met's franchise unless released or traded, correct?

(4) For the 1971 draft I decide to keep 25 players. I draft rounds 1-8 but must take 2 pitchers and 6 hitters should I so chose. Or, do I wait until all 20 managers have 25 rostered players and then everyone picks AAA?

(5) Split seasons cannot be used during 1970 but can going forward?

Anyone that can use the word pedantic properly in a sentence is alright by me.

1. Yes - players from the 4 unused franchises will be available in the draft along with the 1970 rookies. Only rookie players are subject to the free agency provision. Additionally, the initial draft pool and subsequent pools will include any player not kept by the 20 participating franchises.

2. Any player that played for more than one team in 1970 will enter the draft as an unsigned veteran. This status will be determined by what is displayed in the WIS database. Example - Catcher Jack Hiatt ( I'm sure everyone recalls this player ) is shown in the WIS database as player for multiple teams in 1970. He will enter the draft as an unsigned veteran.

3. Your understanding is correct.

4. You have the opportunity to fill your team to 33 players every draft cycle - 25 man roster plus 8 AAA. If you keep 25 and want to draft 8 AAA players you will draft in normal rotation with every other owner. Just like a real life franchise you may move players up or down from AAA so you should have the opportunity to draft to suit your franchise needs. If you have 25 players you like and you don't want to draft anymore that's okay as well. You would have no draft picks and just let WIS generate your AAA.

Lastly, let's say you have 25 players you like and decide that you want to draft 8 AAA players. But after a few rounds in the draft you decide, for whatever reason, that you are done with the draft. That's okay. You declare that you are done and your future picks in that draft only are now removed from the draft board. WIS will generate the remainder of your AAA players.

5. Split seasons only matter for the first draft to determine if someone is an unsigned veteran or not. If you have the rights to a split season player in year 2 and beyond you can pick which split you will be using for the year of play.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have!

sounds confusing

Why are the expansion Kansas City Royals listed, and the Texas Rangers not listed ?

Posted by Landry19 on 8/29/2021 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Why are the expansion Kansas City Royals listed, and the Texas Rangers not listed ?

Texas was not yet in existence in 1970

Posted by jeff4noles on 8/29/2021 1:20:00 PM (view original):
sounds confusing

Let me offer an example and perhaps that will help:

You wind up with the 1970 Atlanta Braves. You go to the WIS search engine and put in Atlanta Braves, 1970 season and you will get a list of the offensive players from the 1970 Braves.

Then check that group of players against a list I will have posted to see if you have any rookies or any players that played for more than one team. In the case of the Braves you will find 3 players on the search results that meet one of those criteria. Those 3 players are going to the draft pool. You can choose how many of the 12 remaining players you want to keep. The players you keep will go to your keeper list.

Repeat the process for your pitchers. You will once again find 3 players that meet one of the criteria. Those 3 players are going to the draft pool. You then choose how many of the remaining 9 players you want to keep. The players you keep will go to your keeper list.

Let's say you kept all 12 position players and all 9 pitchers. Your keeper list will have 21 players.

You will need 4 draft picks to fill out your 25 man roster. You have 8 AAA slots available to you. You can draft to fill those AAA slots - in part or in full - or have WIS provide all or some of your AAA players. When it's all said and done you will have a 25 man roster and 8 AAA slots filled.

Rookies that were drafted will go through a free agency cycle where they will enter the player pool draft. I will track that and have those players clearly identified and posted.

All other players are going to be on your team until you cut or trade them. Except, of course, for the WIS generated AAA players.

Posted by fatguyrd on 8/29/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):
In 1970 Texas was the new Washington Senators, as the original franchise had moved to Minn.

I used the following for the team info:

1970 Major League Baseball Standings & Expanded Standings | Baseball-Reference.com

Texas was not yet listed.

There are 24 teams listed in the link above. There are 20 franchises in this league. All players in the WIS 1970 database from the 4 unused franchises will be in the draft.

After you draft your franchise you can call it anything you like. If someone always wanted to manage the Texas Rangers then they are free to name their team as such.

Here's a sample of the player pool set-up for the first draft:

1970 Players:

Rookie Catcher:

Del Bates
Mike Compton
Larry Howard
Bob Montgomery
Paul Ratliff
Ted Simmons
Ron Slocum
Gene Tenace

Veteran Catcher:

Bob Barton
John Bateman
Chris Cannizzaro
Paul Casanova
Jim French
Jack Hiatt
Jerry McNertney
Phil Roof
Johnny Roseboro

Rookie First Base:

Ossie Blanco
Mike Jorgensen
John Mayberry
Bob Spence

Veteran First Base:

John Boccabella
Nate Colbert
Mike Epstein
Ron Fairly
Mike Fiore
Tito Francona
Greg Goossen
Mike Hegan
Rich Reese
Ray Webster

Rookie Second Base:

Dave Campbell
Denny Doyle
Jim Driscoll
Doug Griffin
Tony Larussa
Danny Thompson

Veteran Second Base:

Bernie Allen
Tim Cullen
Gus Gill
Ted Kubiak
Dave Nelson
Cookie Rojas
Marv Staehle
Gary Sutherland

Rookie Third Base:

Luis Alvarado
Al Gallagher
Steve Garvey
Elliott Maddox
Rich McKinney
Bill Sorrell

Veteran Third Base:

Max Alvis
Bob Bailey
Tommy Harper
Van Kelly
John Kennedy
Coco Laboy
Ken McMullen
Aurelio Rodriguez
Rich Rollins
Ed Spiezio

Rookie Shortstop:

Frank Baker
Larry Bowa
Dave Concepcion
Ed Crosby
Bobby Grich
Jack Heidemann
Milt Ramirez
Rafael Robles
Rich Severson
Ken Szotkiewicz

Veteran Shortstop:

Jose Arcia
Ron Brand
Ed Brinkman
Tommy Dean
Steve Huntz
Roberto Pena
Bobby Wine

Rookie Outfield:

Bill Buckner
Bernie Carbo
Cesar Cedeno
Terry Crowley
Boots Day
Roy Foster
Ralph Garr
Tom Grieve
Don Hahn
Jim Hutto
Cleo James
Johnny Jeter
Von Joshua
Keith Lampard
Leron Lee
John Matias
Luis Melendez
Jerry Morales
Russ Nagelson
Ken Singleton
Bernie Smith
Bob Taylor

Veteran Outfield:

Hank Allen
Jim Beauchamp
Buddy Bradford
Ollie Brown
Bob Burda
Ty Cline
Wayne Comer
Tommy Davis
Jim Fairey
Al Ferrara
Cito Gaston
Tony Gonzalez
Jim Gosger
Jimmie Hall
Mike Hershberger
Steve Hovley
Frank Howard
Mack Jones
Dave May
Lee Maye
Ivan Murrell
Joe Pepitone
Rick Reichardt
Ted Savage
Russ Snyder
Larry Stahl
Rusty Staub
Ed Stroud
Del Unser
Danny Walton


Rookie Pitcher:

Rick Austin
Bert Blyleven
Tom Bradley
Jackie Brown
Les Cain
Fred Cambria
Sal Campisi
Reggie Cleveland
Vince Colbert
Jim Colborn
Ron Cook
Mike Corkins
John Cumberland
Mike Davison
Joe Decker
Steve Dunning
Al Fitzmorris
Rich Folkers
Greg Garrett
Bill Gogolewski
Don Gullett
Lary Gura
Rich Hand
Phil Hennigan
Jerry Janeski
Bart Johnson
Bob Johnson
Rick Kester
Ron Klimkowski
Steve Kline
John Lamb
Ray Lamb
Dave Laroche
Barry Lersch
Skip Lockwood
Jim Magnuson
Mike McQueen
Norm McRae
Jim Nelson
Jose Pena
Skip Pitlock
Bob Reed
Jerry Reuss
Jim Rittwage
Fred Scherman
Wayne Simpson
John Strohmayer
Dick Such
Sandy Vance
Fred Wenz
Ken Wright
Bill Zepp

Veteran Pitcher:

Ted Abernathy
Dave Baldwin
Bobby Bolin
Dick Bosman
Gene Brabender
Jackie Brown
George Brunet
Don Cardwell
Dean Chance
Joe Coleman
Danny Coombs
Casey Cox
George Culver
Bill Dillman
Pat Dobson
Al Downing
Paul Doyle
Moe Drabowsky
Tom Dukes
Dick Ellsworth
Mudcat Grant
Joe Grzenda
Steve Hamilton
Jim Hannan
Chuck Hartenstein
Ron Herbel
Bob Humphreys
Jerry Johnson
Clay Kirby
Darold Knowles
Cal Koonce
Lew Krausse, Jr
Fred Lasher
George Lauzerique
Frank Linzy
Bob Locker
Mike Marshall
Mike McCormick
Dan McGinn
Bob Miller
Barry Moore
Carl Morton
Fred Norman
Rich Nye
John O'Donoghue
Milt Pappas
Marty Pattin
Horacio Pina
Claude Raymond
Howie Reed
Steve Renko
Dave Roberts
Roberto Rodriguez
Gary Ross
Ken Sanders
Al Santorini
Jim Shellenback
Joe Sparma
Lee Stange
Bill Stoneman
Gary Waslewski
Mike Wegener
Hoyt Wilhelm
Ron Willis
Earl Wilson

Posted by fatguyrd on 8/29/2021 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Sig I was just trying to point out for the (questioner, that if he was interested in the Rangers they are the 1970 Senators who move to Texas in 1972.

Just noticed that the Senators were one of the teams not available, sorry about that.

No worries.

Can we count you in for the league?

It is an interesting twist to the normal progressive and that is why those of us who are progressive junkies should have interest.
1-- 4 teams where every player is a FA--Washington Senators, Milwaukee Brewers, Montreal Expos, and San Diego Padres.
2--all players traded in 1970 and have a split season in the 1970 WIS database are FA's
3--all rookies have 5 year contracts and then become FA's--will be interesting to see how this impacts drafting-especially with the number of veterans available. The 1970 draft is loaded but with the 5 year contract it will be interesting.
4-- Picking one of the twenty teams and their roster (sans above subtractions) and deciding to go with a "win now" but low draft position or a "future oriented team" with a high draft position. If I have a choice, a top tier pick, I am not sure how I want to go.
5--Some teams have second year players not normally associated with that team but having access to those "good" years has to factor into the strategy.
6-- Drafting up to 33 players provides an interesting element as well.

I think this one will be lots of fun!

I am possibpy interested in this league - not sure if I have the time for another progressive right now, but am curious why all drafted FA’s aren’t given the same 5 year free agency, but just the rookies are?

It definitely adds a twist to the draft strategy, but would see some very good talent enter back into the draft pool that way as well.

Will we have the choice of taking one of the other 4 teams (Washington, Montreal, San Diego, Milwaukee) when we get near the end of the franchise draft ?

And if not, why not ? They may have better players than your original 20.

Posted by chargingryno on 8/29/2021 10:43:00 PM (view original):
I am possibpy interested in this league - not sure if I have the time for another progressive right now, but am curious why all drafted FA’s aren’t given the same 5 year free agency, but just the rookies are?

It definitely adds a twist to the draft strategy, but would see some very good talent enter back into the draft pool that way as well.

The rookie free agency mimics real life a little without having to take in to account years of service, age drafted, arbitration, etc. But you hit the nail on the head with your observation that it adds a twist and hopefully opens up several different strategies for team building.

I feel like part of the fun of building your team is having some stars you try and keep as long as possible. That's why not everyone will be a free agent.

It would be great if you joined. At the rate we are going we are probably a few weeks away from drafting. I am going to do a lot of record keeping that should reduce your time investment to some degree.

Posted by Landry19 on 8/30/2021 12:29:00 AM (view original):
Will we have the choice of taking one of the other 4 teams (Washington, Montreal, San Diego, Milwaukee) when we get near the end of the franchise draft ?

And if not, why not ? They may have better players than your original 20.

No. The franchises available will remain as is. Those better players from the unused franchises were intended to go to the initial draft pool on purpose so that there is more depth in the draft. You have the option to go after rookies or name brand veterans in the first draft. I wanted to make sure there is a handful of both options available.