You said so much in the last 2 pages. The Bible is the most precious thing I own. I read One John, and get encouragement. I read Proverbs and see things in me that God hates. I read Psalm 23 and have peace in my heart. and then for today's News,:Matt Ch 24. The chapter that gets my attention is Matt Ch 7. When Jesus says to the pretenders, 'I never knew you' So I question my own faith. I think most who read that have the same shuddering experience, so then we read up and see God's promises to us who believe. I am not without sin.. and nobody in here will argue that, but at the same time. . it doesn't have to 'own' me. That is my struggle though.

One verse that speaks to me is in Ps 119: 'Through thy precepts, I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way"

We live in a fallen world. So many false ways are capturing them who are non believers, and they are consumed by it. This happens in the Church too. We read about wolves in sheep's clothing. It is everywhere. May God give us discernment.

More later

thanks for starting this off

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/13/2023 12:47:00 AM (view original):
You said so much in the last 2 pages. The Bible is the most precious thing I own. I read One John, and get encouragement. I read Proverbs and see things in me that God hates. I read Psalm 23 and have peace in my heart. and then for today's News,:Matt Ch 24. The chapter that gets my attention is Matt Ch 7. When Jesus says to the pretenders, 'I never knew you' So I question my own faith. I think most who read that have the same shuddering experience, so then we read up and see God's promises to us who believe. I am not without sin.. and nobody in here will argue that, but at the same time. . it doesn't have to 'own' me. That is my struggle though.

One verse that speaks to me is in Ps 119: 'Through thy precepts, I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way"

We live in a fallen world. So many false ways are capturing them who are non believers, and they are consumed by it. This happens in the Church too. We read about wolves in sheep's clothing. It is everywhere. May God give us discernment.

More later

thanks for starting this off

By far the most honest, sincere and best post I've ever seen from you.

I kept expecting the gotcha, but it never came.

When you began your last paragraph I just KNEW that was the segue to where you called me out for false teaching and being the wolf. But you never did.

You may even suspect me of being such, but you didn't jump to that conclusion irrationally and attack.

You decided instead to stay open minded, shine the light and alert others of the potential threat that I might actually be, and asked that we all pray for discernment.

It reveals a level of depth I didn't know existed in you from the way your other posts have gone. It is absolutely the right reaction and an example of how we should all act when confronting something challenging.

I pray that any and everyone else that decides to participate will follow that lead.

THIS!

"May God give us discernment."

Right ON! LNF.
This IS the right prayer for these days and times.

When well meaning religious leaders are outspokenly trumpeting evil men such as Donald Trump to be the "saviour" of their culture and freedoms, it is quite easy to see that discernment is in VERY short supply these days among so many folks.
Particularly folks who feel threatened or insecure.

My Creator KNOWS the difference between a charlatan and a man of peace and understanding. And the Creator has blessed me with enough skepticism to KNOW HOW to research thoroughly and use my faculties to deduce reality and truth from lies and myth.
The truth regarding the "nature" of one Donald J. Trump was VERY well known and quite easy to deduce.............assuming one hadn't placed blinders of bias and "tribe" over their eyes!!

I've witnessed many elections in my time on this planet. I've seen Presidents come and go. Of varying abilities, honesty, and leadership abilities. Some pretty good, others pretty horrid. History books will tell you (in DETAIL) all you desire to know about our past leaders of our Country. We've had some decent, good men who did their absolute best with skill, humility, and forethought. We've had some horrid ones. Men who should NEVER have been selected for positions of power and leadership.

But, from my perspective (an experienced and aware old white guy), NONE of our Presidents have been so shameless, so about SELF, so crooked and criminal, so bereft of ANY desireable trait of mankind, so despicably EVIL. To support such a person for the leadership of the BEST hope for mankind on Earth, the Country with Godly inspired founding documents, the one Nation wherein the people are given Freedom through a divinely inspired Constitution is an aberration. It is a total rejection of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Thus, I BEG all Christians and all true believers to pray for discernment................so many of you need it!

I'm aware I've strayed from the rigid "biblical" discussion with that last post. However, in a thread wherein the participants are seeking real TRUTH, I contend that the discernment link (as posted by LNF) afforded such a direct link about the discernment of TRUTH that I decided to just post it and hope that some folks would actually challenge themselves and dig a little deeper into the evidence that exists (all over the place!!) about the nature of a man so many so-called self professed Christians have adopted as their last great hope to save their futures.

I remember an old saying my folks used to use................"You are known by the Company you keep"

Anyone who supports Trump and also claims Christianity is an obvious impediment to any on-looking non-believers who are curious about Christ's teaching. Non believers can still see and think, and THEY can see who Trump is? And they will ask How can a Christian back such a man?

Posted by laramiebob on 5/13/2023 9:50:00 AM (view original):
I'm aware I've strayed from the rigid "biblical" discussion with that last post. However, in a thread wherein the participants are seeking real TRUTH, I contend that the discernment link (as posted by LNF) afforded such a direct link about the discernment of TRUTH that I decided to just post it and hope that some folks would actually challenge themselves and dig a little deeper into the evidence that exists (all over the place!!) about the nature of a man so many so-called self professed Christians have adopted as their last great hope to save their futures.

I remember an old saying my folks used to use................"You are known by the Company you keep"

Anyone who supports Trump and also claims Christianity is an obvious impediment to any on-looking non-believers who are curious about Christ's teaching. Non believers can still see and think, and THEY can see who Trump is? And they will ask How can a Christian back such a man?

I've addressed some of this in rsp777s thread.
We can hit on a more thorough dialog about some of the reasons for this bizarre dichotomy, but it will be a little down the road.
We will actually get to the very core of what is driving it, we're just not there yet.

Now I ask politely to refrain from future politicking outside the framework of these ideas and observations.

HEY DINO! A true Christian doesn't hide anything. If you don't give us the source of your information or belief, then don't post this thread where you try to disprove the Bible.

Again, it doesn't matter. Let the Light of Truth shine on every facet of what I write and let knowledge and discernment guide us all in understanding.
Under proper scrutiny, these ideas and notions will become evident or they will crumble.
There isn't any other option but one of these two.

Why did you even bother to start another thread and then name this thread WHY THE BIBLE DESERVES YOUR ATTENTION and precede to tell us it's a lie?

I don't believe the Bible is a lie at all. Nothing could be further from the Truth.
If you've interpreted anything I've written so far as "The Bible is a lie", that error comes from biases you are bringing to the table.

Of course Dino isn't a Christian because he has stated GOD is fallible. Dino said "evolution is a scientific fact" but you might have a hard time finding it because EVERY POST HE HAS MADE IN THIS THREAD has been edited. How convenient.

Nowhere did I say nor imply "God is fallible".
Again, you seem to be interpreting what you read through a biased preconceived notion of "I know what's really going on here". Those preconceived notions are just plain wrong.

And by the way, I have only spoken the truth about you. I never said anything mean to or about you. I could. Maybe I should. I'm trying not to be angry with you and was successful until this last barrage of gibberish. You want true love? I'll give you some.
Get help. Some kind of therapy.
If you're already under the care of a doctor, consider finding a better one. Change your meds?
Try to keep regular hours. Typing in the wee hours of the morning may be a part of the problem. Diet and sleep are important.
Throw out all the rubbish and lies you are spewing and seek help from the only physician that matters. The Great Physician, JESUS CHRIST.

I do not feel attacked by you in any way. I thank you for your restraint and what looks to be sincere concern.

If you're too ashamed to reveal your teacher/prophet, then don't bother trying to shove your beliefs down our throats. I don't make posts about my beliefs unless it is a RESPONSE. On the other hand; I'm not ashamed to admit the Bible is written by divinely inspired men of GOD and HOLY scripture is the direct word of GOD to us. Show all your cards. Anything less would be like playing with half a deck and.............

This last paragraph really does show how badly you are misinterpreting everything I am writing.
I've stated a few times that this kind of dialog will DEMAND scrutiny and I encouraged challenges to these ideas right at the offset.
I also said "From my perspective what I post is begging to be scrutinized to the highest degree possible".
Later I said "Just read and take the ideas into consideration. Pray on them".

That's the polar opposite of "trying to shove [my] ideas down [your] throats".

Posted by DougOut on 5/13/2023 2:49:00 PM (view original):
Catfishing is a deceptive activity in which a person creates a fictional persona or fake identity on a social networking service, usually targeting a specific victim.^[1] The practice may be used for financial gain, to compromise a victim in some way, as a way to intentionally upset a victim, or for wish fulfillment. Catfishing television shows have been produced, often featuring victims who wish to identify their catfisher. Celebrities have been targeted, which has brought press attention to catfishing practices. It could also be the Catfisher is a social pariah and simply uses social media as a means of contact he doesn't receive in his or her current social setting. Finally, the person could simply be a narcissist who gets satisfaction by controlling or directing others without their knowledge. Fishbowling would be an example of this activity. You are being observed in the fishbowl as the narcissist directs the manner or topics in a manipulative manner for personal gratification. The last is a clear indication of psychosis.

We get it Doug.
I'm really Dino and I really hate God, and do not believe in the Bible.
And this is just some sort of twisted psychosis induced fish bowling exercise for my own twisted amusement.
Great.
Now let's see if we can address specific actual content put forth here. Or not.

As a needed antidote to this bronze age superstitious nonsense, please see the writings/videos of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Bart Ehrmann, Richard Carrier, Sean Carroll, Victor Stenger, Christopher Hitchens, David Fitzgerald, Dan Barker, David Hume, Bertrand Russell, Thomas Paine, Democritus, Lucretius, Omar Khayyam, and a zillion other brilliant, highly-moral, individuals who long ago proved there is no reason to take any of this seriously. And a lot of reasons to discard it entirely.

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Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/13/2023 12:47:00 AM (view original):
You said so much in the last 2 pages. The Bible is the most precious thing I own. I read One John, and get encouragement. I read Proverbs and see things in me that God hates. I read Psalm 23 and have peace in my heart. and then for today's News,:Matt Ch 24. The chapter that gets my attention is Matt Ch 7. When Jesus says to the pretenders, 'I never knew you' So I question my own faith. I think most who read that have the same shuddering experience, so then we read up and see God's promises to us who believe. I am not without sin.. and nobody in here will argue that, but at the same time. . it doesn't have to 'own' me. That is my struggle though.

One verse that speaks to me is in Ps 119: 'Through thy precepts, I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way"

We live in a fallen world. So many false ways are capturing them who are non believers, and they are consumed by it. This happens in the Church too. We read about wolves in sheep's clothing. It is everywhere. May God give us discernment.

More later

thanks for starting this off

By far the most honest, sincere and best post I've ever seen from you.

I kept expecting the gotcha, but it never came.

When you began your last paragraph I just KNEW that was the segue to where you called me out for false teaching and being the wolf. But you never did.

You may even suspect me of being such, but you didn't jump to that conclusion irrationally and attack.

You decided instead to stay open minded, shine the light and alert others of the potential threat that I might actually be, and asked that we all pray for discernment.

It reveals a level of depth I didn't know existed in you from the way your other posts have gone. It is absolutely the right reaction and an example of how we should all act when confronting something challenging.

I pray that any and everyone else that decides to participate will follow that lead.

B Lee, I did call you those things, and I was dead wrong. Once words are out of the mouth, they cannot be erased. it is what comes OUT of the moth that defiles a man. this has been evidenced in here my self.. too many times.

To RSP777: I was so out of line with that hostile post 2 days ago.

To Lar Bob: You are more patient than I am.

My biggest sin is that of PRIDE and God hates it. Believe it or not, he does love me. Amazing

I looked at some of the stuff I have posted in the last 5-6 weeks and can't blame some of the guys for jumping on me.

I am, however a 'work in progress' Hope that brings a measure of peace to those whom I have trashed on

Especially Bruce Lee fan, whose manner of posting in the last 3 days kind of bring sme to shame. . The most miserable creature you might ever see, is a believer who is not totally right with God.

So: may the peace of God rule in this and other threads in off topic.. for both the aetheist and the believer

and Bruce Lee, you might not be aware of this, but God is definitely using you

Posted by DougOut on 5/13/2023 3:37:00 PM (view original):
Richard Dawkins solved the mystery in an interview with Ben Stein in the movie EXPELLED. When confronted by Ben on how the first cell could have been formed on earth in light of the most recent scientific research which destroys evolution as a scientific fact, and casts major doubt as it even being a viable alternative, Rich Dawkins said he thinks maybe the first cells were seeded on earth by spacemen aliens from another planet. True story. Watch the movie.

GOOD JOB EVOLUTIONISTS!

I don't think this is entirely accurate.

The discoveries you allude to do not, in any way, "destroy evolution as a scientific fact".
What it destroys is the rather nonsensical notion which was called "abiogenesis".

That is to say that life "evolved" from non-life.
That is ridiculous and always has been an absurd thing to actually claim to believe.

Especially considering the ones who claimed it were considered some of the most brilliant people on the planet.

It shows a willful hard-heartedness concerning the existence of a Creator.

Atheists see believers as foolish for believing in fairy tales and myths, yet they partake in the very absurdity that they project onto believers.

Its a very Satan-esque phenomenon happening there. We'll also go much further into that concept a bit later.

Posted by DougOut on 5/13/2023 5:38:00 PM (view original):

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OF COURSE it's intelligent design. That what this exercise is all about.

Yes we will travel to some uncomfortable places, but ultimately I have a hard time believing anyone could possibly come away from it with any other conclusion.

Posted by laramiebob on 5/13/2023 9:50:00 AM (view original):
I'm aware I've strayed from the rigid "biblical" discussion with that last post. However, in a thread wherein the participants are seeking real TRUTH, I contend that the discernment link (as posted by LNF) afforded such a direct link about the discernment of TRUTH that I decided to just post it and hope that some folks would actually challenge themselves and dig a little deeper into the evidence that exists (all over the place!!) about the nature of a man so many so-called self professed Christians have adopted as their last great hope to save their futures.

I remember an old saying my folks used to use................"You are known by the Company you keep"

Anyone who supports Trump and also claims Christianity is an obvious impediment to any on-looking non-believers who are curious about Christ's teaching. Non believers can still see and think, and THEY can see who Trump is? And they will ask How can a Christian back such a man?

Ummm. j f t record. I would gladly have Trump over Joe b, or justin T. Both are die hard marxists, imo leading both countries to destruction. Inflation is worse than I have seen since I arrived here in 1945

As for Donald t. Some of the things he says don't help him much. this does not mean I see the guy as being one who will save the US, but I think China is a very real threat, and Joey Biden reminds me of Neville Chamberlain.

I believe only God can restore/save the US (and Canada) and I just hope he is not done with us
but this is about the Bible, yes?

Lots of Christians are supporting Trump. In fact, most of the ones I know (hundreds) support him and loathe the lefties who are ruining us. that said, if you hate on him, so be it.

Back to the Bible. I want to share one promise God made over 3000 years ago, and I believe this promise is good for today as it was then.

'God speaking:

2 Chor 7:14

"If my people, who are called by my name; will humble themselves, and pray, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from Heaven, and forgive their sin, and HEAL their land." I believe this great land needs a supernatural healing. I also will suggest nothing else will work.

So, if it all comes apart, you can honestly hold the 'church' meaning body of believers... accountable, He doesn't expect the non believers to pray.

Cheers, all

Catfishing is a deceptive activity in which a person creates a fictional persona or fake identity on a social networking service, usually targeting a specific victim.^[1] The practice may be used for financial gain, to compromise a victim in some way, as a way to intentionally upset a victim, or for wish fulfillment. Catfishing television shows have been produced, often featuring victims who wish to identify their catfisher. Celebrities have been targeted, which has brought press attention to catfishing practices. It could also be the Catfisher is a social pariah and simply uses social media as a means of contact he doesn't receive in his or her current social setting. Finally, the person could simply be a narcissist who gets satisfaction by controlling or directing others without their knowledge. Fishbowling would be an example of this activity. You are being observed in the fishbowl as the narcissist directs the manner or topics in a manipulative manner for personal gratification. The last is a clear indication of psychosis.

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