Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 11/19/2009
Well, Tuesday sucked as I couldnt stay connected, got frustrated and shoved from the big with AQ only to run into the small blinds AK.

Anyhow here is my miniFTOPs schedule if anyone wants to play one or more of these events with me:

Event #1 Wed. December 9:00pm - $20+2 NL Holdem 6 max

Event #3 Thursday December 10 9:00pm - $50 + 5 NL Holdem 3x Shootout

Event #8 Sunday December 13 1:00pm - $24 + 2 NL Holdem Knockout 6 max

Event #9 Sunday December 13 3:00pm - $50 + 5 NL Holdem Heads Up

Event #10 Sunday December 13 5:00pm - $30 +3 NL Holdem

Event #14 Tuesday December 15 9:00pm - $50 +5 HORSE

Event #19 Thursday December 17 9:00pm - $20 +2 Limit Holdem

Event #21 Friday December 18 9:00pm - $30 +3 Razz 6 max

Event #22 Saturday December 19 1:00pm - $250 +16 NL Holdem Ante 2-Day

Event #24 Sunday December 20 1:00pm - $12 +1 NL Holdem Knockout

Main Event Sunday December 20 5:00pm - $50 +5 NL Holdem

These events are a ton of fun with huge fields and many start deep stacked (5000 or 7500 chips instead of 3000 or 1500). They are extremely cheap compared to payouts and you can qualify for most for $5-10 bucks.

Quote: Originally Posted By Fregoe on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By gator993 on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By Fregoe on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by Fregoe on 11/19/2009

well I didnt look at the chip counts but if that was me I push 80% of the time. the other 20% i limp and hope someone raises and than I get all in.

Yeah, if you're looking to getting it all-in though, what's the point in limping any % of the time? In that spot, just taking the blinds and antes represents a pretty high percentage of what you'd win if you beat a caller.

the small blind might call representing more chips.... and I want the SB or BB to push with a medicore hand they might fold to an all in raise. Like I said Most of the time I do push but if I do it everytime than I should just play my cards face up.

So you want QJ to raise all in and race off your remaining chips instead of taking down a good amount in blinds and antes?

if you are donw to 4BB you need to double up not steal linds..... So YE

Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009Here's the thing:

1. If you're dominated, you're screwed regardless;

2. Assuming you're not, the odds are you'll be in a flipping situation with a caller (which is to say, the chances of you being in a dominant position are pretty low);

3. Taking down the blinds and antes in this case increases your stack by more than 50%...so....

4. Yeah, you go all-in not minding a caller, but to me, in most cases limping makes it way too likely that 3 go to the flop, and you don't want that with a middle pocket pair. The bottom line is that this deep, you can't really be putting chips in and then folding, if you are, in fact, playing to win

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Quote: Originally Posted By tylermathias on 11/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by Fregoe on 11/19/2009

well I didnt look at the chip counts but if that was me I push 80% of the time. the other 20% i limp and hope someone raises and than I get all in.

Yeah, if you're looking to getting it all-in though, what's the point in limping any % of the time? In that spot, just taking the blinds and antes represents a pretty high percentage of what you'd win if you beat a caller.

Maybe I am thinking that someone will try to come over the top on me at which point I am going to call any way. And if the flop come out I can still make some sort of read and get away if it is a total disaster. With 88 there arent to many hands that you would want to go all in with. AGAIN winning the blinds and antes is almost like doubling up at this point.

And gator you said the only flop that pays me off was the one I got, but there are several others that would have helped, not all needing an 8 in them. Odds are here that I end up pushing all in after the flop no matter what comes, however limping gives me the chance to double up/triple up and not just pick up blinds.

So you are calling an all face card flop? Any card over a 8 flops and you have a choice (assuming you missed your ace) why even put yourself in this situation?

Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009
Okay cash game .05/.10. Averge buy in is around 4 bucks.

I had been playing for a while and this was the last hand I would play for the night as the blinds were coming and I needed to head to the air port.

KQ under the gun, 5 players at the table. One monster stack in the SB, BB is average stack and the two others have a buck and change. I have 4.17.

I raise to .35, next player raises all in to about 1.12, and the next goes right up all in at 1.40. Blinds fold... The two all in guys have been playing some week hands over the past hour (hence their deminished stacks)

What should I have done here?

Quote: Originally Posted By Fregoe on 11/19/2009
well with 5 players I dont think I fold 88 if I am the small stack. the more I think about it 100% of the time I push. the only time i dont is if I know I have a guy trying to be a bully and I want him to try again

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Quote: Originally Posted By kneeneighbor on 11/19/2009

Okay cash game .05/.10. Averge buy in is around 4 bucks.

I had been playing for a while and this was the last hand I would play for the night as the blinds were coming and I needed to head to the air port.

KQ under the gun, 5 players at the table. One monster stack in the SB, BB is average stack and the two others have a buck and change. I have 4.17.

I raise to .35, next player raises all in to about 1.12, and the next goes right up all in at 1.40. Blinds fold... The two all in guys have been playing some week hands over the past hour (hence their deminished stacks)

What should I have done here?

I probably fold. No reason to race 2 hands with a marginal hand


Take this answer with a grain of salt because I am hyperaggressive when I play cash games. I almost never limp unless at a super aggressive table where I know I can limp with AA/KK and get raised by later position.

In you situation I call. Youre getting 3:1 on your money, are still in the game with a comfortable stack if you lose, and are probably up against a small pair and A rag or something. This granted is going off you saying theyve played marginal hands.

The other reason for calling is to let the table know they you arent simply going to fold to a reraise and are willing to call with hands like KQ...it will allow you to get away with raising more hands later in the game as they would be less likely to pop you without a premium hand and will also help you better define others ranger later in the game.

This of course assumes they are paying attention.