Interesting that so many of us have chosen to dagger shortstops thus far.

I want to get my roster posted so you can see the format to post yours, but so far I've rostered my minimally acceptable options and I'm still $ 3 million over.

I also took the wrong team in the last round because that's the one I'm having trouble getting six players from, though losing Alan Trammell didn't help matters any.

Can we ask those who haven't sent thier daggers in to please do so now, so that those of us who have can also work on our teams. Thanks.

My task is to dagger fire13 and his '73 Orioles, '53 Browns, '43 Dodgers, and '83 Rangers.

There were actually several options to choose from. Those that I considered but discarded included:

1. Jim Palmer - The best of the Orioles pitching staff, throws a ton of high quality innings. But at $8.8M, he eats up a lot of the salary cap to get there. In the end, there are so many ways to put together a good pitching staff from these teams, throwing the dagger at one guy doesn't really hurt anything.
2. A backup 2B. Until the Rangers selection, I was considering knocking out the only low priced backup there was at 2B, thus all but forcing the selection of both Grich ($7M) and Herman ($6.9M). But the selection of the Rangers introduced another very low cost backup, so this option was scuttled.
3. Brooks Robinson - This option was the last one I decided against. With Robinson and Buddy Bell, you have two excellent fielders who don't hit much, and not much else to choose from. I considered knocking out Robinson to force the pick of the higher cost Bell, but Bell's price tag was not high enough to make this my top choice.

That leaves me with: C Earl Williams.

Williams is the only starting catcher across your four teams that is an offensive threat (.758 OPS) and a defensive asset (B-/C/A+). With Williams gone, you can pick from below average hitters with marginal defense like Clint Courtney (.632 OPS, C/C/C+) or Mickey Owens (.610 OPS, B/C/B), or all field no hit Jim Sundberg (.526 OPS, A-/B-/A+).

Williams is also one of only two players across all four teams that hit 20+ HRs. Which means you'll need to manufacture some runs somehow to win games.

And that leads me to the ballpark dagger: Arlington Stadium.

Arlington caters to a team whose offense is built on small ball. Since your roster will necessarily need to rely on small ball tactics, let's take away the best ballpark option you have to support the strategy.

Dear Evil,

I have looked over your roster and it disgusts me. So much friggin’ talent. I want to stick my stiletto in the backs of so many guys – Fournier, McCovey, Johnston, Ferguson, Bonds, Wheat and Sutton, to name a few. Three of those guys are from your screw team! Anyway, I ran the numbers several ways and kept coming up with the same conclusion: One knife ain’t enough! Too bad Beernoser only provided a single blade.

The only good news is that McCovey and Fournier cannot play anywhere but first base. Fortunately for everyone, the league does not allow two players to play the same position at the same time.

In the end, it came down to Johnston and Bonds. One of them had to go. Johnston is so flexible. He chases balls down at 2^nd, 3^rd and SS and he can get on base. Bonds, on the other hand, is a 40 HR/ 40 SB terror. He not only gets on base but he gets around them or steals them. Personally, I would like to eliminate terror from my life. Therefore, I have decided that the best course of action is to remove Bobby Bonds from your team. I have locked him up in Dodger Stadium. I changed the lock on the front door. Keep Out!

God help the National League.

Yours truly,
Big Scungil

For eman

I could have gone a few ways but I have decided to dagger Eddie Mathews and his 47 homers. Although you have some other useable third basemen none have the impact of Mathews.

Crosley Field and its homer friendly confines also gets the dagger

Dagger for BigScungil:
My first thought was to dagger one of your best 2 pitchers, but neither has a ton of innings and there's plenty of good pitching to make up for it. After looking at the possible combos, I saw a potential victim at 3B to try to force BigS to take on $6 mil and a lot of extra ab's, but then I discovered Frank Kostro and Tom Satriano way down at the bottom of the LA Angels roster so you can thank them for saving their fellow 3B. Then I had to go to the obvious route of killing Rickey Henderson or Stan Musial. Because Henderson has a similar player in Albie Pearson waiting in the wings, I will throw my dagger at the best hitter he has - sorry Stan the Man - the dagger has hit you - Stan Musial.
Only 1 stadium is a hitters park, and the other 3 are all similar pitchers parks so we will also dagger Sportsman's Park.

I'm having real trouble putting a roster together. Who ever heard of John Wockenfuss being a DH? I counted on him to be my backup catcher.

80M teams have lots of weaknesses anyway, and we have several handicaps. Three guys in my lineup don't deserve the name "hitter" at all. I managed a fine rotation, but my bullpen is going to take some serious managing to work. Only three guys in my lineup field at B- or better. And what is this thing called speed I hear about? I dunno, cuz we ain't got it.

But I'm pretty pleased with the roster simply because it fits.

Szczubelek first off sorry for being late to make my dagger picks
After reviewing your teams you have some different options that you could use for your position players I want sure which way you were going to go with those 2 9 mill plus OF. So I turned to pitching there are options in SP Pierce and Trucks but I thought the best option was to dagger the pitcher with the best numbers that happened to be a Left handed RP so I dagger John Hiller from the 1973 Tigers

For the Stadium I dagger Comisky Park

Once you have this roster, please post it here so I can check it before you come into the league.

Team Name -- Murderer's Row
Stadium - Tiger Stadium

33 Yankees
Gehrig
Lazzeri
Ruth
Combs
Jorgens
Allen

53 Cubs
Jackson
Smalley
Kiner
Ward
Sauer
Minner

83 Angels
Grich
Burleson
Pettis
John
Forsch
Sanchez
Kison

83 Tigers
Parrish
Krenchiki
Wilcox
Gumpert
Rozema
Lopez

Roster Recap
*** Full Season Team (TOC eligible) ***
o	Salary Cap:	$80,000,000	Available Cash:	$13,723	o
o	Current Payroll:	$79,986,277	Draft Picks Remaining:	0	o
o	Position Salaries:	$46,290,087	Required Plate Appearances Remaining (PA/162):	0	o
o	Pitcher Salaries:	$33,696,190	Required Innings Pitched Remaining (IP/162):	0	o

(Click on a player's name to view that player's profile)

Position Players
		Pos	Player	B	PA/ 162	AB/ 162	HR	RBI	SB- CS	SO- BB	AB/ HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	F/R	Salary
		C	1983 Lance Parrish	R	663	605	27	114	1-3	106-44	22.4	.269	.314	.483	A/A-	$5,438,613
		1B	1933 Lou Gehrig	L	742	641	32	139	9-13	42-92	18.5	.334	.424	.605	B+/D-	$7,213,595
		2B	1933 Tony Lazzeri	R	651	565	18	104	15-7	62-73	29.1	.294	.383	.486	C/D+	$4,847,445
		3B	1953 Randy Jackson	R	578	524	19	66	8-4	61-42	26.2	.285	.341	.476	C/C	$3,803,390
		SS	1953 Roy Smalley	R	303	267	6	25	0-0	57-28	42.2	.249	.329	.356	D/D+	$1,302,828
		OF	1933 Babe Ruth	L	621	496	34	103	4-5	90-114	13.5	.301	.442	.582	C/D-	$6,125,500
		OF	1953 Ralph Kiner	R	517	436	28	87	1-1	67-75	14.8	.283	.394	.529	C/D	$3,704,278
		OF	1933 Earle Combs	L	506	451	5	64	6-4	19-47	83.4	.300	.372	.465	C+/C-	$3,590,526
		C	1933 Art Jorgens	R	67	54	2	13	1-0	3-12	25.0	.220	.371	.400	C/B+	$359,807
		1B	1953 Preston Ward	L	126	106	4	12	3-1	21-18	25.0	.230	.347	.400	B/C	$638,239
		2B	1983 Bobby Grich	R	477	387	16	62	2-4	62-76	24.2	.292	.414	.460	C-/A	$3,980,801
		3B	1983 Wayne Krenchicki	L	149	133	1	16	0-0	27-11	133.0	.278	.333	.353	C+/D-	$603,535
		SS	1983 Rick Burleson	R	134	119	0	11	0-2	12-12	119.0	.286	.348	.345	B/B+	$882,196
		OF	1953 Hank Sauer	R	471	416	19	60	0-0	56-50	20.8	.263	.349	.473	C-/C	$2,892,246
		OF	1983 Gary Pettis	S	93	85	3	6	8-3	15-7	28.3	.294	.348	.494	B-/B	$907,088
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
Batting Totals					6098	5285	214	882	58-47	700-701	23.5	.288	.376	.490	C+/C	$46,290,087

Pitching Staff
		Role	Player	T	W-L-S	IP/ 162	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/ 9	BB/ 9	HR/ 9	K-BB	Salary
		SP	1983 Tommy John	L	11-13-0	235	4.33	.304	1.43	2.49	1.88	0.77	65-49	$4,021,224
		SP/RP	1953 Paul Minner	L	12-15-1	212	4.21	.283	1.33	2.87	1.79	0.67	64-40	$4,844,531
		SP/RP	1983 Ken Forsch	R	11-12-0	220	4.06	.266	1.31	3.32	2.50	0.86	81-61	$4,418,648
		SP/RP	1933 Johnny Allen	R	15-7-1	200	4.39	.242	1.40	5.80	4.24	0.44	119-87	$4,837,309
		SP/RP	1983 Milt Wilcox	R	11-10-0	186	3.97	.237	1.28	4.89	3.58	0.92	101-74	$4,134,772
		SP/RP	1983 Luis Sanchez	R	10-8-7	99	3.66	.254	1.34	4.48	3.66	0.55	49-40	$2,197,534
		SP/RP	1983 Dave Gumpert	R	0-2-2	45	2.64	.257	1.13	2.84	1.42	0.20	14-7	$1,242,049
		SP/RP	1983 Dave Rozema	R	8-3-2	105	3.43	.248	1.23	5.40	2.49	0.86	63-29	$2,433,321
		SP/RP	1983 Aurelio Lopez	R	9-8-18	116	2.81	.210	1.18	7.02	3.82	0.94	90-49	$3,087,172
		SP/RP	1983 Bruce Kison	R	11-5-2	127	4.05	.264	1.35	5.90	3.06	0.92	83-43	$2,479,630
		SP/RP	optional
		SP/RP	optional
		SP/RP	optional
Pitching Totals					98-83-33	1,545	3.94	.262	1.32	4.33	2.84	0.75	729-479	$33,696,190

Team Name: TBD
Busch Stadium

33 Red Sox
C Rick Ferrell
1B Joe Judge
2B Johnny Hodapp
3B Marty McManus
OF Roy Johnson
OF Dusty Cooke

83 Cardinals
C Jamie Quirk
1B Keith Hernandez
2B Bill Lyons
SS Ozzie Smith
OF Dane Iorg
OF Steve Braun
P Jim Kaat

63 White Sox
3B Pete Ward
OF Floyd Robinson
P Hoyt Wilhelm
P Gary Peters
P Juan Pizarro
P John Buzhardt

63 Colt 45s
SS JC Hartman
P Turk Farrell
P Hal Woodeshick
P Jim Umbricht
P Don Nottebart
P Chris Zachary

Roster Recap
*** Full Season Team (TOC eligible) ***
o	Salary Cap:	$80,000,000	Available Cash:	$89,790	o
o	Current Payroll:	$79,910,210	Draft Picks Remaining:	0	o
o	Position Salaries:	$36,441,640	Required Plate Appearances Remaining (PA/162):	0	o
o	Pitcher Salaries:	$43,468,570	Required Innings Pitched Remaining (IP/162):	0	o

(Click on a player's name to view that player's profile)

Position Players
		Pos	Player	B	PA/ 162	AB/ 162	HR	RBI	SB- CS	SO- BB	AB/ HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	F/R	Salary
		C	1933 Rick Ferrell	R	539	458	3	72	2-2	19-58	140.3	.297	.385	.382	B/C+	$4,024,020
		1B	1983 Keith Hernandez	L	244	218	3	26	1-1	30-24	72.7	.284	.352	.431	B-/A+	$1,780,651
		2B	1933 Johnny Hodapp	R	492	450	3	54	1-1	14-33	137.7	.312	.365	.424	C-/A-	$3,472,735
		3B	1963 Pete Ward	L	667	600	22	84	7-6	77-52	27.3	.295	.353	.482	D+/B+	$4,866,198
		SS	1983 Ozzie Smith	S	626	552	3	50	34-7	36-64	184.0	.243	.321	.335	A-/A+	$5,247,913
		OF	1963 Floyd Robinson	L	600	527	13	71	4-3	43-62	40.5	.283	.361	.419	B/C	$4,161,258
		OF	1933 Roy Johnson	L	595	526	10	95	13-10	36-55	48.3	.313	.387	.466	D-/B	$3,974,703
		OF	1933 Dusty Cooke	L	578	494	5	54	7-5	71-67	90.8	.293	.386	.447	D/C+	$3,758,739
		3B	1933 Marty McManus	R	466	398	3	36	3-0	21-49	122.0	.284	.369	.413	B/D+	$2,552,027
		C	1983 Jamie Quirk	L	93	86	2	11	0-0	27-6	43.0	.209	.269	.326	D-/D	$287,957
		2B	1983 Bill Lyons	R	61	60	0	3	3-2	11-1	60.0	.167	.180	.217	B+/D-	$202,877
		OF	1983 Steve Braun	L	114	92	3	7	0-1	7-21	30.7	.272	.404	.413	A+/D-	$645,006
		OF	1983 Dane Iorg	L	131	116	0	11	1-0	11-10	116.0	.267	.321	.362	C/D-	$530,290
		1B	1933 Joe Judge	L	137	118	0	22	2-1	4-13	108.0	.296	.372	.389	A-/D+	$729,775
		SS	1963 J.C. Hartman	R	95	90	0	3	1-0	13-2	90.0	.122	.151	.133	C-/D-	$207,491
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
		Util	optional
Batting Totals					5438	4785	70	599	79-39	420-517	65.5	.282	.356	.410	C+/C	$36,441,640

Pitching Staff
		Role	Player	T	W-L-S	IP/ 162	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/ 9	BB/ 9	HR/ 9	K-BB	Salary
		SP	1963 Turk Farrell	R	14-13-1	203	3.02	.219	0.97	6.27	1.56	0.53	141-35	$6,614,301
		SP/RP	1963 Hal Woodeshick	L	11-9-10	114	1.97	.186	1.03	7.42	3.32	0.24	94-42	$4,256,996
		SP/RP	1963 Jim Umbricht	R	4-3-0	76	2.61	.195	0.96	5.68	2.49	0.71	48-21	$2,353,216
		SP/RP	1963 Hoyt Wilhelm	R	5-8-21	137	2.64	.215	1.00	7.33	1.98	0.53	111-30	$4,457,482
		SP/RP	1963 Gary Peters	L	19-8-1	243	2.33	.216	1.07	7.00	2.52	0.33	189-68	$9,101,733
		SP/RP	1963 John Buzhardt	R	9-4-0	127	2.42	.216	1.04	4.20	2.21	0.57	59-31	$3,660,831
		SP/RP	1963 Don Nottebart	R	11-8-0	193	3.17	.234	1.08	5.50	1.82	0.47	118-39	$5,468,281
		SP/RP	1963 Juan Pizarro	L	16-8-1	215	2.39	.224	1.12	6.83	2.64	0.59	163-63	$6,381,471
		SP/RP	1963 Chris Zachary	R	2-2-0	57	4.89	.272	1.47	6.63	3.47	0.79	42-22	$859,923
		SP/RP	1983 Jim Kaat	L	0-0-0	35	3.89	.327	1.67	4.93	2.60	1.30	19-10	$314,336
		SP/RP	optional
		SP/RP	optional
		SP/RP	optional
Pitching Totals					91-63-34	1,400	2.72	.222	1.08	6.34	2.33	0.52	984-361	$43,468,570

Before I read my dagger vilefile, I'm going to offer up my uninfluenced dagger to you. I lobbed this one back and forth for a while. Your pitching staffs offer a lot of options and provided no obvious daggers. Same with your outfield. Can't fault you on your choices of teams. Thought about Campaneris since he's on two teams, but that's not a slam dunk. You have viable options at short and third, so it came down to catcher, first and second. Thought about Lazzeri, but you can still string together a decent platoon around Randolph. Thought about Dickey, but he's relatively expensive for this salary cap and while Fosse gives you decent D behind the plate, he's no winner at the plate. I've narrowed it down to first base. Your best options are a $7MM Gehrig, a less expensive A or a platoon you couldn't love. For your dagger, I serve you Gene Tenace. All pitchers parks so I'll go with the most hitter-friendly one with my dagger: Yankee Stadium (II)

CLWECW, you're pretty well set up in most spots, in the field, you have backups set pretty much anywhere, and midlevel replacements that offer protection from daggering your cheap options. Tony Kubek is your one shortstop who is capable of fielding his position. He's one possible dagger candidate. Starting pitching is deep. Nolan Ryan is clearly the stud of the group, and thusly a dagger candidate, but at that price, maybe too unwieldy to go to. The 63 Mets are an ugly collection of has beens and never weres, Ron Hunt is the one viable option from the lineup, but that leaves you with enough cheap bench options you could use anyway.

What I'm not seeing are a lot of viable bullpen arms. Sure, your 63 Yankees have a bunch of them, but that you're limited to at most seven from that collection, you won't be able to use most of them. The best bullpen arm from the other three rosters then becomes the daggeree. That's the 83 Braves Terry Forster.

As for stadiums, all four of your options have since been demolished. Three of them are now parking lots, the other is daggered, Yankee Stadium.

Posted by vilefileman on 2/8/2019 3:13:00 PM (view original):
Can we ask those who haven't sent thier daggers in to please do so now, so that those of us who have can also work on our teams. Thanks.

To clarify, vilefileman specifically meant me.