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Posted by wylie715 on 3/13/2019 12:30:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 11:38:00 AM (view original):
But in porn both actors get paid? Who is the prostitute? Both of them?
Yes, they are both being paid to have sex. By definition, they are both prostituting themselves.
WHO'S THE JOHN?!?!
I have ignored this question because you are trying to change the definition. If you are being paid to have sex, you are a prostitute by definition. I have posted the definition like 10 times already.
when I was single many years ago, if I was interested in having sex with a woman I was dating, I would take her to a nice dinner first. Essentially paying her for sex. Was she a prostitute?
No. I am sure the girl didn't go to dinner with in exchange for sex. You probably thought, "man, if I take her to her to a nice restaurant I am sure to get lucky." But I am sure that she wasn't saying "I am only going to have sex with him if he takes me out for a nice dinner." Those were two separate events.
3/13/2019 12:45 PM
I thought dinner was "foreplay"...........
3/13/2019 12:48 PM
Posted by bronxcheer on 3/13/2019 12:44:00 PM (view original):
Corey Chase is my favorite porn star
I only know women not men. Not judging just saying...
3/13/2019 12:55 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/13/2019 12:36:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 11:38:00 AM (view original):
But in porn both actors get paid? Who is the prostitute? Both of them?
Yes, they are both being paid to have sex. By definition, they are both prostituting themselves.
WHO'S THE JOHN?!?!
I have ignored this question because you are trying to change the definition. If you are being paid to have sex, you are a prostitute by definition. I have posted the definition like 10 times already.
Yeah, I can read. My point is that the one line definition of prostitute isn't all encompassing. Simple definitions aren't intended to be rules.

For instance, the definition of prostitute on Merriam-Webster is:

to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money


Porn actors DO NOT "offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse." If I show up at Tori Black's house with a briefcase full of money, she isn't going to have sex with me.

And the definition of Sexual Intercourse (MW) is:

1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the ***** :COITUS
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the *****


Yet, people who give hand-jobs for money are engaging in prostitution despite not meeting the definition of sexual intercourse.

So, instead of focusing so hard on a simple, one-line definition, try using your brain.
I'm not focusing on one line definitions. I'm using common sense. Prostitution is sex for money. Porn stars are being paid to have sex. They are prostituting themselves. They are not being paid to act. Nobody gives a **** about their acting. Saying that Tori Black would reject you if you showed up at her house is a bad argument. A prostitute in Vegas would probably reject you as well if you randomly showed up at their house. Tori Black would probably be more likely to reject as I assume she has less need for the money.

Whether you work in a brothel or for a porn company, you are going to work to have sex.
3/13/2019 12:58 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 12:05:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Fair enough point by Bob about Penthouse. But if you are being paid to perform sexual acts, whether being videoed or not, it is a form of prostitution by definition.

Also a good point that we need to distinguish between sex slavery and a consensual transaction when discussing making it legal.
So Charlie Sheen is a professional baseball player?

Cool.
This is a false equivalency.

Prostitution: the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment.

They are being paid to have sex in porn videos. No one watches porn videos for the "acting". They are watching for the sex. When I watch Major League, I am watching a professional actor. When I watch the Braves vs. Phillies I am watching professional baseball players.

Once again, people are watching porn for the sex. People are watching Charlie Sheen for his ability to act.
The consumer is separate from the actors, down-the-line. The actors have no control over what they do with the content. It doesn't change the nature of the transaction.

A lot of people watched Wild Things for much the same purpose that people watch pornography. Does that make the cast of that movie prostitutes?
3/13/2019 1:01 PM
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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 11:38:00 AM (view original):
But in porn both actors get paid? Who is the prostitute? Both of them?
Yes, they are both being paid to have sex. By definition, they are both prostituting themselves.
WHO'S THE JOHN?!?!
I have ignored this question because you are trying to change the definition. If you are being paid to have sex, you are a prostitute by definition. I have posted the definition like 10 times already.
Yeah, I can read. My point is that the one line definition of prostitute isn't all encompassing. Simple definitions aren't intended to be rules.

For instance, the definition of prostitute on Merriam-Webster is:

to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money


Porn actors DO NOT "offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse." If I show up at Tori Black's house with a briefcase full of money, she isn't going to have sex with me.

And the definition of Sexual Intercourse (MW) is:

1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the ***** :COITUS
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the *****


Yet, people who give hand-jobs for money are engaging in prostitution despite not meeting the definition of sexual intercourse.

So, instead of focusing so hard on a simple, one-line definition, try using your brain.
I'm not focusing on one line definitions. I'm using common sense. Prostitution is sex for money. Porn stars are being paid to have sex. They are prostituting themselves. They are not being paid to act. Nobody gives a **** about their acting. Saying that Tori Black would reject you if you showed up at her house is a bad argument. A prostitute in Vegas would probably reject you as well if you randomly showed up at their house. Tori Black would probably be more likely to reject as I assume she has less need for the money.

Whether you work in a brothel or for a porn company, you are going to work to have sex.
You are focusing on the definition. You even "posted the definition like 10 times already."
3/13/2019 1:03 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bronxcheer on 3/13/2019 12:44:00 PM (view original):
Corey Chase is my favorite porn star
I only know women not men. Not judging just saying...
3/13/2019 1:04 PM
I have never seen Wild Things, but i'm guessing it's probably along the lines of 50 shades. I would say yes, that the two people in 50 shades committing the sexual acts were, in reality, prostituting themselves.
3/13/2019 1:05 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 1:05:00 PM (view original):
I have never seen Wild Things, but i'm guessing it's probably along the lines of 50 shades. I would say yes, that the two people in 50 shades committing the sexual acts were, in reality, prostituting themselves.
That's incorrect.
3/13/2019 1:08 PM
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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 11:38:00 AM (view original):
But in porn both actors get paid? Who is the prostitute? Both of them?
Yes, they are both being paid to have sex. By definition, they are both prostituting themselves.
WHO'S THE JOHN?!?!
I have ignored this question because you are trying to change the definition. If you are being paid to have sex, you are a prostitute by definition. I have posted the definition like 10 times already.
Yeah, I can read. My point is that the one line definition of prostitute isn't all encompassing. Simple definitions aren't intended to be rules.

For instance, the definition of prostitute on Merriam-Webster is:

to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money


Porn actors DO NOT "offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse." If I show up at Tori Black's house with a briefcase full of money, she isn't going to have sex with me.

And the definition of Sexual Intercourse (MW) is:

1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the ***** :COITUS
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the *****


Yet, people who give hand-jobs for money are engaging in prostitution despite not meeting the definition of sexual intercourse.

So, instead of focusing so hard on a simple, one-line definition, try using your brain.
I'm not focusing on one line definitions. I'm using common sense. Prostitution is sex for money. Porn stars are being paid to have sex. They are prostituting themselves. They are not being paid to act. Nobody gives a **** about their acting. Saying that Tori Black would reject you if you showed up at her house is a bad argument. A prostitute in Vegas would probably reject you as well if you randomly showed up at their house. Tori Black would probably be more likely to reject as I assume she has less need for the money.

Whether you work in a brothel or for a porn company, you are going to work to have sex.
You are focusing on the definition. You even "posted the definition like 10 times already."
I am focusing on the definition. You are 100% correct. The whole point of my argument is that by definition, pornography is a form of prostitution. I brought it up again because you argued a while back that Stormy Daniels was not a prostitute. My point was that made a career out of having sex for money. So, yes she was a prostitute.

I am not focusing on the one-line definition. I do understand that the scope is broader than this. I am using the one-line definition as the base of the argument.
3/13/2019 1:10 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/13/2019 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 1:05:00 PM (view original):
I have never seen Wild Things, but i'm guessing it's probably along the lines of 50 shades. I would say yes, that the two people in 50 shades committing the sexual acts were, in reality, prostituting themselves.
That's incorrect.
Please explain how it could be incorrect. You saying "that's incorrect" doesn't make it incorrect. They performed sexual acts for money and got paid for those sexual acts. I don't know much about Dakota Johnson outside of the 50 shades movies, but I have seen the guy in other stuff and he is a pretty good actor. But, essentially, their roles revolved around the sex. That is essentially what they were paid for.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 3/13/2019 11:38:00 AM (view original):
But in porn both actors get paid? Who is the prostitute? Both of them?
Yes, they are both being paid to have sex. By definition, they are both prostituting themselves.
WHO'S THE JOHN?!?!
I have ignored this question because you are trying to change the definition. If you are being paid to have sex, you are a prostitute by definition. I have posted the definition like 10 times already.
Yeah, I can read. My point is that the one line definition of prostitute isn't all encompassing. Simple definitions aren't intended to be rules.

For instance, the definition of prostitute on Merriam-Webster is:

to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money


Porn actors DO NOT "offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse." If I show up at Tori Black's house with a briefcase full of money, she isn't going to have sex with me.

And the definition of Sexual Intercourse (MW) is:

1: heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the ***** :COITUS
2: intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the *****


Yet, people who give hand-jobs for money are engaging in prostitution despite not meeting the definition of sexual intercourse.

So, instead of focusing so hard on a simple, one-line definition, try using your brain.
I'm not focusing on one line definitions. I'm using common sense. Prostitution is sex for money. Porn stars are being paid to have sex. They are prostituting themselves. They are not being paid to act. Nobody gives a **** about their acting. Saying that Tori Black would reject you if you showed up at her house is a bad argument. A prostitute in Vegas would probably reject you as well if you randomly showed up at their house. Tori Black would probably be more likely to reject as I assume she has less need for the money.

Whether you work in a brothel or for a porn company, you are going to work to have sex.
You are focusing on the definition. You even "posted the definition like 10 times already."
I am focusing on the definition. You are 100% correct. The whole point of my argument is that by definition, pornography is a form of prostitution. I brought it up again because you argued a while back that Stormy Daniels was not a prostitute. My point was that made a career out of having sex for money. So, yes she was a prostitute.

I am not focusing on the one-line definition. I do understand that the scope is broader than this. I am using the one-line definition as the base of the argument.
Let's look at it another way.

Group A is all people whose jobs incorporate sex in one way or another.

That's a pretty big group.

All prostitutes fall within group A. But group A is not all prostitutes. Prostitutes are a subgroup within A. Other subgroups within A: strippers, models, porn stars, non-porn actors, novelists, therapists, etc.

And there's crossover within those groups. Some traditional actors do porn. Some porn stars also work as prostitutes, etc. But that's crossover between groups, not merging of two groups into one.
3/13/2019 1:18 PM
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Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 1:05:00 PM (view original):
I have never seen Wild Things, but i'm guessing it's probably along the lines of 50 shades. I would say yes, that the two people in 50 shades committing the sexual acts were, in reality, prostituting themselves.
That's incorrect.
Please explain how it could be incorrect. You saying "that's incorrect" doesn't make it incorrect. They performed sexual acts for money and got paid for those sexual acts. I don't know much about Dakota Johnson outside of the 50 shades movies, but I have seen the guy in other stuff and he is a pretty good actor. But, essentially, their roles revolved around the sex. That is essentially what they were paid for.

Again, this is why it's dumb to rely completely on a simple definition like: anyone who performs sexual acts while being paid is a prostitute.

Dakota Johnson and Jamie Dornan are not prostitutes. No reasonable person would argue that they are.
3/13/2019 1:22 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 3/13/2019 1:05:00 PM (view original):
I have never seen Wild Things, but i'm guessing it's probably along the lines of 50 shades. I would say yes, that the two people in 50 shades committing the sexual acts were, in reality, prostituting themselves.
At this point I'm going to assume you're trolling and no longer arguing in good faith.
3/13/2019 1:27 PM
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