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Quote: Originally posted by jweb1510 on 8/31/2009A stoppage of play doesn't (and shouldn't) necessarily mean a turnover.  The defense could knock the ball out of bounds with the offense retaining possession.  A shot gets blocked into the stands.  A player calls timeout when he's trapped to avoid a 5-second call.  Even an occasional jumpball wouldn't necessarily be a possession change.A stoppage of play does not mean that the possession has to change.  I think it's reasonable to expect a stoppage at least every 2 minutes in a game, as that seems to accurately reflect what happens in real life.
Very good point. Certain of these would be easy to add, others more difficult.
8/31/2009 12:56 PM
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8/31/2009 12:58 PM
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Seble - please explain the cluster foul.At least once a day, and one of my teams, I experience a starter fouling out in 19 minutes. I find it happens more frequently when I set my defense at +1, -1, etc.Glitch? I think so.
8/31/2009 2:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By shapandrew7 on 8/31/2009
Seble - please explain the cluster foul.

At least once a day, one of my times experience a starter fouling out in 19 minutes. I find it happens more frequently when I set my defense at +1, -1, etc.

Glitch? I think so.

Very common occurance and complaint.
8/31/2009 2:27 PM
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Statistical bad luck or a bad matchup. Also if you have one high foul guy on the court with 4 low foul guys, then his rate may exceed real life.
8/31/2009 2:43 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by seble on 8/31/2009Statistical bad luck or a bad matchup. Also if you have one high foul guy on the court with 4 low foul guys, then his rate may exceed real life.

THANKS! I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW!

You can't really think that explanation translates to RL, can you? Give us a break. This cluster garbage happens to me ONCE A DAY. There is more to this than a "bad matchup," brotha.
8/31/2009 3:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By garyman on 8/31/2009
The funny thing is that if the substitution logic was better, then this issue of minutes allocation wouldn't be so serious.

(edit: or vice versa? or are they the same thing? my head hurts now... going to bed, g'nite all)
if I understand what Monkey has been getting at then part of the sub problem would be solved with more stoppages because coach cant sub if game dont stop - alot of over-playing and under-playing seems to stem from this equation

if your 4 mpg guy gets stuck out on the court and there are not stoppages for 6 minutes well guess what..?
8/31/2009 5:35 PM
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The average NBA team in 2008-2009 had 555 non-steal turnovers and 1726 fouls.

That is an average of 4,562 stops for both teams in 82 games, which is an average of 55 stoppages of action in an average NBA game. This does not count stoppages that do not result in a turnover.
8/31/2009 6:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/31/2009I don't think that's the case. I just picked a random game from last season and there were no stoppages until the 8:52 mark of the first quarter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=290104013

To me it seems to go in bunches, where there is a long stretch of no stoppages followed by several in a row.
Yeah, but falling back on what monkee said....it happens more than ONCE in 6 quarters......
8/31/2009 9:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By shapandrew7 on 8/31/2009
Quote: Originally posted by seble on 8/31/2009 Statistical bad luck or a bad matchup. Also if you have one high foul guy on the court with 4 low foul guys, then his rate may exceed real life.

THANKS! I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW!

You can't really think that explanation translates to RL, can you? Give us a break. This cluster garbage happens to me ONCE A DAY. There is more to this than a "bad matchup," brotha
:), I thoroughly enjoyed this exchange...its nice to know that what I've always thought was true...that an offensive players FTAs (aka their propensity to draw fouls) is more important than/supercedes/overrides the Personal Fouls (PF) of the defensive players on the floor.

Also, I'll have to remember this "statistical bad luck" line....that's good stuff.....yet again no ownership of problems, mistakes, and or errors....JUST EXCUSES.....
8/31/2009 9:10 PM
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I don't think that qualifies as even an excuse. That's just a clear-cut case of trying to dodge that the problem exists in the first place.
8/31/2009 10:01 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ncih on 8/31/2009
The average NBA team in 2008-2009 had 555 non-steal turnovers and 1726 fouls.

That is an average of 4,562 stops for both teams in 82 games, which is an average of 55 stoppages of action in an average NBA game. This does not count stoppages that do not result in a turnover.

8/31/2009 10:31 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by ncih on 8/31/2009The average NBA team in 2008-2009 had 555 non-steal turnovers and 1726 fouls.That is an average of 4,562 stops for both teams in 82 games, which is an average of 55 stoppages of action in an average NBA game.  This does not count stoppages that do not result in a turnover.
So you're advocating less steals per turnover?
8/31/2009 10:42 PM
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holy christ you two (c19,ash)

you both are being ridiculous - a 50 pct shooter isnt gonna shoot 7-14 EVERY FREAKIN GAME - some games he will shoot 2-14, others 11-14 - you guys act as if someone should hit their averages every single game

just - stupid
9/1/2009 12:55 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/31/2009Statistical bad luck or a bad matchup. Also if you have one high foul guy on the court with 4 low foul guys, then his rate may exceed real life
Why would 4 low foul teammates (everything else being equal) increase a player's tendency to foul?
9/1/2009 1:08 AM
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