Quote: Originally posted by namshub on 2/22/2010and interestingly, it turns out gill and hawks, in a roundabout way, called seble an idiot. i hope seble takes that into consideration when taking into account your numerous suggestions for improvement of the game. edit: maybe hawks calling him an idiot is a bit of stretch so i'll retract that part.

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 2/22/2010
what you guys seem to keep failing to take into account is the SPD and ATH and its impact on rebounding, scoring and defense. one category is never stand alone. the REB is significantly helped by the SPD and ATH. as you guys know (fd and hawk) its the overall body of work ratings wise not just one core.

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of course those factors have an important effect - but the question was not whether he is a good or even excellent player, but whther he is so elite as to go EE

if the mean REB of BCS conference nonwalkons is 81, then the median (which will avoid the undue effect of a few bums with very low ratings) likely is a few points higher. AND, if one then limited the data to PF who play meaningful minutes - say 10 min per game (excluding guys who hardly play) - I bet that would get to a median of at least 85, maybe say 88. Strong teams just dont play many guys with REB at all in this range.

Taking it as given that he was very strong in other cats, was REB weak and should a guy with a weak rating in a core stat go EE was the real question - and I think we had a good discussion of that.

As noted, I used him as backup SF - where he brought a lot to the table and where his REB of 72 would look very good. I wonder whether the EE algorithm looks at players by position or just as players - I had assumed that it looked by position, looking at cores for that position.....but I wonder.

Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 2/23/2010

Quote: Originally posted by namshub on 2/22/2010
and interestingly, it turns out gill and hawks, in a roundabout way, called seble an idiot. i hope seble takes that into consideration when taking into account your numerous suggestions for improvement of the game.

edit: maybe hawks calling him an idiot is a bit of stretch so i'll retract that part.

not really. the thread i had in mind when i made my post about signing named and the mindless ramblings is one that was about a 10 time back and forth between CS and zhawks in which the CS rep repeatedly stated you could double team in the press, on top of trapping. i really hope that wasn't seble, but if it was, i guess anybody can make a mistake :O

but i suppose with the only allowing reps who have a d1 team to answer those tickets comment, i was talking about this response (72 reb is not a weakness). i still think its true, i don't know if seble has a d1 team or not, i would imagine he does though (hopefully). and on the second point, if seble is the guy who responded, its still good to know that - 95% of coaches of quality d1 school would agree 72 rebounding sucks for a pf, so its worth pressing the issue if its seble. he is the guy to change recruit generation, who might review early entries if anybody does, so i think its important to have a very thorough understanding of the kinds of players playing at all levels of the game. but if its not seble who made that comment (i realize it is, but hypothetically speaking), its really not as important, IMO.

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 2/22/2010the conversation just seemed to focus completely on his REB rating in isolation and how that should preclude him from going pro early. not how good of a rebounder he actually was which would include his ATH and SPD ratings and actual gameplay stats

Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 2/23/2010

Quote: Originally posted by fd343ny on 2/23/2010 of course those factors have an important effect - but the question was not whether he is a good or even excellent player, but whther he is so elite as to go EE

That answer to your question is not direct, but it does answer it.

Just because it happens in real life does not make it good for HD.