So if your kid gets in you should have him not go so a minority can attend? How does that work?

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/11/2019 10:48:00 PM (view original):
For bad_luck. Nice retort. How do I quote only a portion rather than the entire? I like how you separated and there are only a few items I need to comment back on. That would be very helpful...thanks.

You quote and then copy paste the sections into your reply. Then highlight them and click the “ button in the options above (source, font, size, etc.)

I'll work on the quoting thing later. Let me pull a few items from your resonse.

Minor critique...the ten-dollar words are unnecessary. I don't even know what invaliably means.

Sorry, I can't help it. My normal register is actually more formal than my posts here. The way my wife and I converse drives our friends crazy but **** them. By the way, I meant to write invariably.

Well, ok, this seems kind of out of place in the topic but someone who enrolls at UCLA will have time to figure out what they want out of the education before picking a major.

For the disadvantaged, their odds are already reduced by the high probability of not being accepted to the top schools. This disadvantage gets compounded since only certain programs at state schools are on par with the elite institutions, whereas every department is good at Harvard, etc. The supreme advantage of attending an elite is that any field you decide upon is probably a winner. That is not true at UCLA or Michigan.

Now, here is my main point. These elite institutions are dominated by progressive liberals. Most of the new academic theories about racial/social/income/white priviledge inequalities originate from these bastions of progressivism. Yet, it is these very schools that maintain the inequalities through their admissions process. If liberals want to effect change in these areas, they are going to need to take on a decadent sub-sect of their own movement. Academia at its highest levels is working contrary to solving the problems of white priviledge and income inequality, if they do exist. Blacks are 12.7% of the population and I would venture to say that not a single elite school even approaches that representation. Some of the change needs to happen within the movement internally before it gets applied to American society as a whole.

The 2017 incoming Freshman GPA at Stanford was 4.18. It was 4.13 at UCLA.

They’re drawing from the same applicant pool.

But if you want to argue that universities should do a better job encouraging diversity, I back it 100%.

GPA is a silly measurement nowadays. Inflationary pressures push GPAs above the 4.0 mark. In another generation it'll be above 5.0. Too bad kids aren't getting any smarter.

UCLA has only 4% black. They certainly are discriminating against the same pool. Michigan also sits at 4%. Where do progressives allow black people to go to school?

Since the Champions of Fairness and Equality (sarcasm) are already the vast majority of the faculty and administration at both elite private and said public institutions, how do we get them to embrace the diversity they so vigorously give lip service to? They could affirmative action the black percentage up to mirror the national average tomorrow...but they don't. I wonder why? lol.

If you want to argue that universities need to do a better job incorporating diversity, you’ll get no protest from me. I back that 100%.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/12/2019 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by usf_bulls on 2/12/2019 8:27:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/11/2019 11:49:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/11/2019 10:48:00 PM (view original):
For bad_luck. Nice retort. How do I quote only a portion rather than the entire? I like how you separated and there are only a few items I need to comment back on. That would be very helpful...thanks.

You quote and then copy paste the sections into your reply. Then highlight them and click the “ button in the options above (source, font, size, etc.)

I'll work on the quoting thing later. Let me pull a few items from your resonse.

Minor critique...the ten-dollar words are unnecessary. I don't even know what invaliably means.

Sorry, I can't help it. My normal register is actually more formal than my posts here. The way my wife and I converse drives our friends crazy but **** them. By the way, I meant to write invariably.

Well, ok, this seems kind of out of place in the topic but someone who enrolls at UCLA will have time to figure out what they want out of the education before picking a major.

For the disadvantaged, their odds are already reduced by the high probability of not being accepted to the top schools. This disadvantage gets compounded since only certain programs at state schools are on par with the elite institutions, whereas every department is good at Harvard, etc. The supreme advantage of attending an elite is that any field you decide upon is probably a winner. That is not true at UCLA or Michigan.

Now, here is my main point. These elite institutions are dominated by progressive liberals. Most of the new academic theories about racial/social/income/white priviledge inequalities originate from these bastions of progressivism. Yet, it is these very schools that maintain the inequalities through their admissions process. If liberals want to effect change in these areas, they are going to need to take on a decadent sub-sect of their own movement. Academia at its highest levels is working contrary to solving the problems of white priviledge and income inequality, if they do exist. Blacks are 12.7% of the population and I would venture to say that not a single elite school even approaches that representation. Some of the change needs to happen within the movement internally before it gets applied to American society as a whole.

The 2017 incoming Freshman GPA at Stanford was 4.18. It was 4.13 at UCLA.

They’re drawing from the same applicant pool.

But if you want to argue that universities should do a better job encouraging diversity, I back it 100%.

GPA is a silly measurement nowadays. Inflationary pressures push GPAs above the 4.0 mark. In another generation it'll be above 5.0. Too bad kids aren't getting any smarter.

UCLA has only 4% black. They certainly are discriminating against the same pool. Michigan also sits at 4%. Where do progressives allow black people to go to school?

Since the Champions of Fairness and Equality (sarcasm) are already the vast majority of the faculty and administration at both elite private and said public institutions, how do we get them to embrace the diversity they so vigorously give lip service to? They could affirmative action the black percentage up to mirror the national average tomorrow...but they don't. I wonder why? lol.

If you want to argue that universities need to do a better job incorporating diversity, you’ll get no protest from me. I back that 100%.

So you'd be OK with your kid going to a lesser schools so that a minority can take his place even though that student may have a lower GPA and lower SAT scores? Or should someone else give up their spot? How would that work exactly. I love how Democrats always make it the YOU problem.

So, B_L, I am curious how you fairly force a more diversified campus. Black kids can typically get into elite schools with SAT scores about 200 points lower than whites or Asians. Is this fair or should the best applicant always be accepted?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/12/2019 9:57:00 AM (view original):
So, B_L, I am curious how you fairly force a more diversified campus. Black kids can typically get into elite schools with SAT scores about 200 points lower than whites or Asians. Is this fair or should the best applicant always be accepted?

Who said force? I’m agreeing with miami’s argument that schools should do more to encourage diversity.

You did not say force. I am just aware of a way to focus on diversity and create it organically. So, do you think race should or should not be a criteria when accepting students? Also, should the government be allowed to compel institutions, especially private institutions, to accept a certain amount of each race?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/12/2019 10:25:00 AM (view original):
You did not say force. I am just aware of a way to focus on diversity and create it organically. So, do you think race should or should not be a criteria when accepting students? Also, should the government be allowed to compel institutions, especially private institutions, to accept a certain amount of each race?

Oh I’m not going to pretend to know the answer to this problem.

bad luck never has solutions or ideas. LOL. What a tool. But he does complain a lot.

I do. Race should NOT be a factor in admission EVER. The government should have no say who is admitted into private institutions. They do have a stake in public institutions, but race should not be one of the factors.

Should I take your response to mean that you don't have an answer to the questions?

I agree with strikeout.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/12/2019 11:07:00 AM (view original):
I do. Race should NOT be a factor in admission EVER. The government should have no say who is admitted into private institutions. They do have a stake in public institutions, but race should not be one of the factors.

Should I take your response to mean that you don't have an answer to the questions?

You do know the answer to how colleges can become more representative of the population as a whole?

Once again, i'm going to assume you don't actually have any answers.

And personally, I don't care about universities becoming more "representative" (using your words). I care about the most deserving students being rewarded. Ethnicity does not matter to me at all.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/12/2019 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Once again, i'm going to assume you don't actually have any answers.

That is exactly what I said. I don’t have the answer to this problem.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/12/2019 11:07:00 AM (view original):
I do. Race should NOT be a factor in admission EVER. The government should have no say who is admitted into private institutions. They do have a stake in public institutions, but race should not be one of the factors.

Should I take your response to mean that you don't have an answer to the questions?

i differ..i believe in the original reasons for affirmative action and generally actions taken for the betterment of society and the nation.
i was against quotas when i was in college because they were used against jews before i was born but i eventually came around to be strongly in favor of fair affirmative action and i think it has advanced a better more inclusive society......thankfully the need for affirmative action is declining.