mavioric12 -

The 27 Red Sox are certainly the best team for you to choose to dagger out of the four. Their pitching staff is virtually unusable so I want to make sure all those options are there for you. The hitters are not much better but you have to find a way to roster 6 people from this team. Since you are fairly well covered with backup players that I can't dagger from the other squads there is a way to impact this team a little bit.

At SS you have 6 options with 3 of them at $4M, $4.8M, and $5.4M then two from the 27 Red Sox at $3.2M and at $2.8M and Kessinger at $498,249 on the 77 Cards. I am going to dagger Buddy Myer to force you to spend a little more at SS or take Rathrock to pair with Kessinger.

Best of luck!

Posted by BeAllEndAll on 12/6/2023 9:02:00 AM (view original):
kentol can dagger one of my pitchers from the 67 White Sox

Don't think you can choose if a hitter or pitcher is selected...anyone fromm that team can be daggered.

Posted by BeAllEndAll on 12/6/2023 2:17:00 AM (view original):
Well, midnight, who gave you this garbage team??? The 1977 Toronto Blue Jays have nothing of value past Bob Bailor and he was already stabbed, bagged, and tossed off this trainwreck of a team. How do you hurt a team by removing a weak link? Maybe we can mess with your salary or force you to waste a roster spot on a sub-par player from the Yankees or Tigers, essentially wasting a roster spot. There’s gotta be an option…

Starting with pitching, the Blue Jays best is Pete Vukovich and 149 IP with a 3.80 ERC#. I would probably roster him as my one Blue Jay pitcher. And he can be replaced by LH Mike Willis to save a few bucks. Neither would be a key pitcher so hitting either would not be very impactful.
Moving on to hitters, the Blue Jays have strong armed Alan Ashby and he could be paired with your choice of Indian C’s to platoon with him. But you also have Freehan and Munson. I would think you’re planning on rostering one of them so hitting Ashby may not be the best option if you’re not planning on using him.

At 1B I would roster the Indians’ Vic Wertz and back him up with Eddie Mathews. Hitting the very unimpressive Doug Ault would be pointless. If only I could force you to draft him…

At 2B you have Willie Randolph of the Yankees and you can match him up with either Strickland or Lumpe. Or you could go with Bobby Avila from the Indians. He’s not a bad option for $3.2M and you can grab any of the 3 cheap back-up options you have. Hitting the platoon 2B form Toronto would be a waste.

Now 3B is interesting. The Blue Jays have Roy Howell, a .314/.386/.439 #slash with C+/C- defense and a $3M salary. He could platoon nicely with Larry Raines. Your other options at 3B are Graig Nettles whose $5.7M salary is more for his A/B+ range than it is for his 37 HR’s. I suppose you could use Don Wert but that would be a waste of a Tiger spot. There’s also a Rader/Raines platoon but they’re both RH hitters who offer only a little defense for cheap. Howell is a possibility but let’s keep looking.

Looking at SS I see you only have 4 options for your 2 roster spots. The Blue Jays offer Hector Torrez who is your cheapest option at $1.4M. I’m guessing you’ll go with Carrasquel at SS and although Torres would be an adequate back-up, Oyler is only $129K more. He is a Tiger though and you would waste a spot there. Another possibility.

Finally we get to the OF’s. You have so many options here. Without the Blue Jays you have Jackson, Rivers, White, Colavito, Maris, Woodling, Horton, Kaline, and Northrup. The Blue Jays throw in Fairly and Woods. Neither are standouts and can be easily replaced by any of the others. I can do no damage here.

Well, like I asked in the beginning. How do you hurt a team by removing a weak link. As we’ve just reviewed, this team truly has no one of value left. The best we can do is stab Roy Howell and nudge you towards a decision between $5M+ players.

Good luck!

BeAllEndAll - Well played and a perfect analysis of the dreadful Blue Jays. To answer your question on who gave me that garbage, jbar is your huckleberry. My preferred option at 3rd was Howell, so now I will likely go with Nettles costing me some $$$'s. Mickey Rivers will likely be the "cap casualty." I need to shuffle some deck chairs and my team will likely end up being slow, with poor defense and shaky pitching. What could go wrong? Hopefully Wertz, Reggie, Nettles and Kaline can power the team to a few victories.

Posted by jbar8888 on 12/6/2023 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by BeAllEndAll on 12/6/2023 9:02:00 AM (view original):
kentol can dagger one of my pitchers from the 67 White Sox

Don't think you can choose if a hitter or pitcher is selected...anyone fromm that team can be daggered.

jbar8888 is correct, the dagger can hit anyone on the team.

BeAllEndAll is correct in a different way. If the dagger can hit anyone, it can hit a pitcher. But also a batter.

Posted by 3dayrotation on 12/6/2023 8:14:00 AM (view original):

Too Much SS
1957 Yankees
Bauer, Hank	OF	$3,138,577
Berra, Yogi	C	$4,523,299
Collins, Joe	1B	$575,495
Terry, Ralph	P	$3,514,438
Maglie, Sal	P	$3,045,645
Byrne, Tommy	P	$1,620,765
1967 Reds
Rose, Pete	OF	$4,741,474
Simpson, Dick	OF	$260,964
Perez, Tony	3B	$4,144,465
Pavletich, Don	C	$1,558,082
Pappas, Milt	P	$4,704,986
Ellis, Sammy	P	$2,667,446
1977 Twins
Bostock, Lyman	OF	$6,926,685
Terrell, Jerry	3B	$834,619
Carew, Rod	1B	$10,873,355
Wilfong, Rob	2B	$813,690
Smalley, Roy	SS	$3,548,414
Schueler, Ron	P	$2,509,872
1977 Padres
Hendrick, George	OF	$6,061,077
Almon, Bill	SS	$4,239,948
Sutherland, Gary	2B	$335,591
Freisleben, Dave	P	$2,209,501
Owchinko, Bob	P	$2,774,479
Shirley, Bob	P	$4,185,986
Total:		$79,808,853

I was pretty surprised to see you found a way to roster both Carew and Bostock along with a dead-weight shortstop. Then I noticed your most expensive pitcher is under $5M, so I suppose there is a way. The offense looks strong anyway!

Posted by redcped on 12/6/2023 11:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by 3dayrotation on 12/6/2023 8:14:00 AM (view original):

Too Much SS
1957 Yankees
Bauer, Hank	OF	$3,138,577
Berra, Yogi	C	$4,523,299
Collins, Joe	1B	$575,495
Terry, Ralph	P	$3,514,438
Maglie, Sal	P	$3,045,645
Byrne, Tommy	P	$1,620,765
1967 Reds
Rose, Pete	OF	$4,741,474
Simpson, Dick	OF	$260,964
Perez, Tony	3B	$4,144,465
Pavletich, Don	C	$1,558,082
Pappas, Milt	P	$4,704,986
Ellis, Sammy	P	$2,667,446
1977 Twins
Bostock, Lyman	OF	$6,926,685
Terrell, Jerry	3B	$834,619
Carew, Rod	1B	$10,873,355
Wilfong, Rob	2B	$813,690
Smalley, Roy	SS	$3,548,414
Schueler, Ron	P	$2,509,872
1977 Padres
Hendrick, George	OF	$6,061,077
Almon, Bill	SS	$4,239,948
Sutherland, Gary	2B	$335,591
Freisleben, Dave	P	$2,209,501
Owchinko, Bob	P	$2,774,479
Shirley, Bob	P	$4,185,986
Total:		$79,808,853

I was pretty surprised to see you found a way to roster both Carew and Bostock along with a dead-weight shortstop. Then I noticed your most expensive pitcher is under $5M, so I suppose there is a way. The offense looks strong anyway!

for a while i toyed with an even stronger offense... but i couldn't get near enough bad innings to add mantle to the mess.

Will be an interesting MVP race between Carew and Ruth. No one else need apply.

Posted by redcped on 12/6/2023 11:39:00 AM (view original):
Will be an interesting MVP race between Carew and Ruth. No one else need apply.

There are other 10m hitters out there available for teams who are not in.
We don't often see such hitters in these leagues. Could be exciting.

Posted by jbar8888 on 12/6/2023 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by BeAllEndAll on 12/6/2023 9:02:00 AM (view original):
kentol can dagger one of my pitchers from the 67 White Sox

Don't think you can choose if a hitter or pitcher is selected...anyone fromm that team can be daggered.

Lol, I wasn't choosing. More like predicting. But kentol is free to dagger any one of the dreadful ChiSox hitters if he would rather go that route.

I'm hoping Hack Wilson will be in the MVP race.

He's going to have great table setters batting in front of him.

I landed an early draft slot and had my pick of the majority of the good clubs available. I went with the '77 Yanks because of their cost-valued hitting and pitching depth with the only weakness in the bullpen. I was gifted the '77 Blue Jays and the '57 Indians. The Indians had a couple of serviceable pieces, and the Blue Jays may be one of the worst teams in WIS. On the Blue Jays OF Bob Bailor has some value as a hitter and especially because he can play shortstop. If he had not been my first dagger, I probably would have constructed the team with him at short. Since my first team pick was high in the draft my final team pick was low - I really needed to bolster my bullpen. Fortunately, both the '67 Tigers and '77 Cardinals were available and each also offered an excellent starting catcher which gave me insurance in the event Thurman Munson was daggered. I went with the Tigers due to the added bullpen depth plus some additional SP and hitting options. I went with Cleveland Stadium because it can bolster my average staff with a pitcher friendly .94 rating but offers +1 HR ratings in the OF. Hopefully Wertz, Reggie, Nettles, Kaline and McAuliffe will go long often and more often.

Cleveland Stadium

Salary = $79,874,299

1977 New York Yankees (6)
C Thurman Munson $5,531,729
3B Graig Nettles $5,699,296
OF Roy White $4,282,184
OF Reggie Jackson $4,486,229
P Ron Guidry $6,462,555
P Dick Tidrow $3,316,221

1977 Toronto Blue Jays (6)
SS Hector Torres $1,405,911
C Rick Cerone $838,113
2B Dave McKay $1,118,127
OF Sam Ewing $1,259,654
P Pete Vuckovich $3,180,850
P Bill Singer $797,229

1957 Cleveland Indians (6)
1B Vic Wertz $4,091,090
SS Chico Carrasquel $2,825,928
3B Larry Raines $1,418,300
OF Dick Williams $1,222,573
P Ray Narleski $3,593,474
P Cl McLish $3,855,038

1967 Detroit Tigers (7)
2B Dick McAuliffe $4,091,090
OF Al Kaline $5,678,550
1B Eddie Mathews $605,944
P Denny McLain $4,812,963
P Mickey Lolich $5,777,034
P Fred Gladding $1,872,009
P John Hiller $1,725,774

D.C. Communists

Griffith Stadium - Washington, D.C.
Total Salary - $79,858,257

1927 - Washington Senators - 7
C - Muddy Ruel - $4,296,212
3B - Ossie Bluege - $4,593,172
OF Goose Goslin - $5,811,154
OF - Tris Speaker -$4,905,920
2B - Stuffy Steward - $638,236
SP - Hod Lisenbee - $7,143,835
SP/RP - Garland Braxton - $4,718,788

1947 Washington Senators - 6
OF - Stan Spence - $5,435,521
3B - Cecil Travis - $753,004
SS - John Sullivan - $903,519
OF - Tom McBride - $917,284
SP - Walt Masterson - $7,001,540
RP - Tom Ferrick - $1,614,447

1967 Philadelphia A's - 6
SS - Bert Campaneris - $3,704,107
C - Dave Duncan - $512,768
1B - Ken Harrelson - $1,470,431
OF - Roger Repoz - $660,360
RP - Diego Segui - $1,477,536
RP - Tony Pierce - $2,478,734

1947 Boston Braves - 6
1B - Earl Torgeson - $3,446,901
2B - Connie Ryan - $4,084,508
SP - Warren Spahn - $9,262,998
RP - Walt Lanfranconi - $1,376,460
RP - Mort Cooper - $1,001,300
RP - Clyde Shoun - $1,649,522

Update
We have all of dagger 1 and dagger 2, and 9 of 20 rosters approved so far.
I think I am caught up for the first time today, tell me if you think I missed anything you sent.

OK, BeAllEndAll - You chose the '67 White Sox knowing that quality pitching would be in short supply this time around. How fortunate that your next team (the '67 Mets) while still giving you no offense, manages to set you up with even more useful pitching. To make matters worse, your 3rd team gives you yet another usable SP as well as affordable back-ups at every infield position. I thought the idea was to "screw" your neighbor - not "benefit" your neighbor! For your 4th selection it was simply a matter of waiting for one of those 1927 teams with really good hitters - like maybe the '27 Giants - to fill out your roster. I guess sometimes a plan works out pretty much the way you hope, right?

You're in good shape hitting-wise - with the exception of catching and that extra expense at 1B. And you're loaded with 4 quality SP's and lots of really good relief pitching to choose from. The question is whether you can fit them all in under the $80m cap along with Hornsby's $10.2m price tag.
I looked at daggering one of your big 3 relievers ( Locker, McMahon, and Wilhelm) but figured you'll probably use only 1 or 2 of them anyway. The dagger goes to Gary Peters.

I think you'll have a really good team and should win our division. My only concern is your shortage of decent catching...

Forbes Field ---

1937 Yankees (6)

C 1937 Bill Dickey $7,708,726 $7,708,726
SS 1937 Frankie Crosetti $4,359,870 $4,359,870
OF 1937 Roy Johnson $247,089 $247,089
OF 1937 Tommy Henrich $2,036,987
SP 1937 Lefty Gomez $10,292,249 $10,292,249
SP/RP 1937 Red Ruffing $7,786,327 $7,786,327

1977 Atlanta Braves (7)

OF 1977 Gary Matthews $3,845,882 $3,845,882
OF 1977 Rowland Office $2,695,363 $2,695,363
3B 1977 Junior Moore $1,861,113 $1,861,113
SP/RP 1977 Phil Niekro $7,081,299 $7,081,299
SP/RP 1977 Frank Lacorte $203,862 $203,862
SP/RP 1977 Preston Hanna $810,378
SP/RP 1977 Jamie Easterly $769,226


1947 Pittsburgh Pirates (6)

1B 1947 Hank Greenberg $3,597,114 $3,597,114
1B 1947 Elbie Fletcher $785,797 $785,797
OF 1947 Wally Westlake $2,978,990
SS 1947 Whitey Wietelmann $514,935
SP/RP 1947 Roger Wolff $200,123 $200,123
SP/RP 1947 Al Lyons $270,063 $270,063

1977 Kansas City Royals (6)

2B 1977 Frank White $3,197,139 $3,197,139
3B 1977 George Brett $6,526,159 $6,526,159
C 1977 John Wathan $936,414
2B 1977 Bob Heise $221,337
SP/RP 1977 Dennis Leonard $8,938,946 $8,938,946
SP/RP 1977 Steve Mingori $1,462,809 $1,462,809