Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 5/06/2010

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 5/06/2010Geez Anton, are you sure you arnt a University Professor? <<<any cop in riot gear>>>It isnt OK to generalize Muslims, Professors, terrorists, peace protesters, Democrats or liberals in General. That was an ok remark though?

Nice of you to leave out the "black helicopter sort of mood" preface, which -- for anyone with a brain in their head -- should have been a tip-off as to how serious a policy position it was.

Fukktard. Go clamp your nipples with a car crusher. I've got absolutely zero patience today for your desperate "if I win the debate they might like me!" bids for attention

I'm with you on that part. Let's just assume that the coverages have been different...they seem different to me. The better question, I think, is why. I think there's also a reasonable question that the mere presence of riot police might have incited violence...I'm guessing things would have gotten ugly for the TP crowd if dudes with shields started forcing them back.

My guess is that they're too busy trying to paint the BP oil spill as "Obama's Katrina".

Maybe you could provide some links to the stories you're talking about because I, along with a vast majority of Americans, don't watch network news.

I will say this, you can't expect to find equal coverage of every protest that goes on in this country. Currently, we're dealing with the biggest environmental disaster in our history and an attempted terrorist attack in Times Square. What do you think the media is going to pay attention to?

Now, when the G20 was in Pittsburgh and thousands of "liberal" people protested, the ONLY thing the media focused on was the violence. They make a story out of whatever the best story is that day.

One other point I'd like to make is that FOX built the monster that is the Tea Party. They devoted massive amounts of coverage to build up Tea Parties across the country. They hosted events. They've basically sponsored it all along. Can you give me one example of another political movement that has been promoted on a scale like this from a major media outlet? They shined the brightest, and most positive, spotlight possible on the Tea Party. It's no surprise to me that the Tea Party would get the scrutiny it has when FOX has promoted it as the largest grassroots political movement since the Revolution. That's putting it up on a fairly tall pedestal.

I'm with you on that part. Let's just assume that the coverages have been different...they seem different to me. The better question, I think, is why. I think there's also a reasonable question that the mere presence of riot police might have incited violence...I'm guessing things would have gotten ugly for the TP crowd if dudes with shields started forcing them back.

I do not have a video to prove this so believe me or not. The first shots on TV I saw were Arizona state police in regular uniform standing in front of police tape trying to keep people from spilling out on the street. Then they showed a bunch of people running out on the street past the police and breaking the tape. Later that night is when I saw the police in riot gear getting pelted with bottles. I do not know the exact time line, I just put together that the crowd got out of hand and riot police were called in.

Quote: Originally Posted By creilmann on 5/06/2010
One other point I'd like to make is that FOX built the monster that is the Tea Party. They devoted massive amounts of coverage to build up Tea Parties across the country. They hosted events. They've basically sponsored it all along. Can you give me one example of another political movement that has been promoted on a scale like this from a major media outlet? They shined the brightest, and most positive, spotlight possible on the Tea Party. It's no surprise to me that the Tea Party would get the scrutiny it has when FOX has promoted it as the largest grassroots political movement since the Revolution. That's putting it up on a fairly tall pedestal.

I think one of the big 3 (CBS if I remember correctly) tried very hard to turn Cindy Sheehan and her anti-War crusade against President Bush into a major political movement. Her "activities" were reported on every night it seemed, and always in a favorable light.

You are correct that Fox has helped build up the TP movement, but I would hesitate to say that they created it. I tend to think they recognized its potential, and pushed it forward. Particularly Beck and Hannity.

Nice. I didn't think of that. I don't think Sheehan is a bad example at all.

Quote: Originally posted by soxfanjohn on 5/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/06/2010So now we've gone from "portrayed as violent" to "portrayed as bordering on violence".

I think you just proved my point. Thanks.The tea party that had no violence was portrayed as violent and inciting riotius behavior. The Arizona demonstration that actually had riots was portrayed as mostly peaceful.

This is from Free Republic, which is so far the only thing I've been able to find that actually cites examples:

On Saturday's Good Morning America, reporter Mike Von Fremd downplayed the violence of protesters against Arizona's new immigration law. He spun, "Riot police were called in to try and control demonstrators protesting outside the capital. Most were peaceful. A handful threw bottles at police and were arrested."

Would you say that is an accurate description of what happened at the protest, or not?

Yet, ABC derided March's Tea Party rallies as "very ugly," despite the fact that there were no arrests. In contrast, on March 20, World News host David Muir scolded, "Protesters against the [health care] plan gathered on the streets of the capital where late today we learned words shouted turned very ugly, reports of racial and homophobic slurs, one protester actually spitting on a Congressman." Continuing to fret over those opposed the bill, he complained, "Late word from Washington tonight about just how ugly the crowds gathered outside the Longworth office building have become."

I fully admit that saying the protests turned "very ugly" is a biased description. The media has a narrative about the tea parties -- they're angry! But nowhere in that ABC report is in indication that the tea party protest was violent.

If Tea Party protesters had thrown bottles at members of Congress, it seems unlikely that ABC would have described them as "mostly peaceful."

Well, maybe. There have been isolated incidents of actual violence at tea party protests -- last November in Ft. Lauderdale, for instance -- and I don't recall them getting blown out of proportion by the media. Someone correct me if I just missed it.

Again -- if you want to argue that the coverage of the tea parties has been biased, fine. You've got plenty of evidence you can pile up on that score.

If you want to argue that the movement has been portrayed as being full of potential McVeigh's, OK, go for it. Death threats against members of Congress, Palin's crosshairs and the brain cramp of holding a big demonstration on the anniversary of OKC can all be held up as either examples of that fabricated narrative, or examples of that narrative maybe having some basis in fact, depending on how you want to look at them.

But neither of those were what swamp initially claimed. He said "Talking up violence at tea partys for months."

And the fact that he backed away from that claim just shows that even he recognized his rhetoric wasn't actually based in reality.

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Fox Covered the Tea Party's and gave them a voice when they were starting out.

They didnt organize, promote, sponsor, host events, create, or do any of the things they were wccused of in this thread.

The Tea Party was going to happen with or without Fox.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/06/2010So now we've gone from "portrayed as violent" to "portrayed as bordering on violence".

I think you just proved my point. Thanks

This is the tactic of Anton, and the as the whole.

Never talk about the issue. Find some odd tangent, or a word out of place, or the color of the persons shirt.

Whatever you do DON'T RESPOND TO THE MAIN POINT OF AN EMBARRASSING ISSUE.

Don't talk about what might make you say something that crazy, even with your preface, and the fact that it was clearly meant as a joke. It wasnt funny and says something about you and the people you associate with.

This was a crazy comment. Like so many crazy comments since you are a lib you will not only get away with it, but actually not have to explain or apologize.

This was the kind of thing that a Senator might have to resign for if he said publicly!

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The 1:42 post is just a picture of the people covering the events for Fox.

The posts cards were a little troubling. More of a promotion of Fox then of the Tea party's but I could see how it might raise a conflict of interest between the tea party's are Fox News.

I stand by my defense of Fox.

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