Except in this case you are utterly ignoring a major chunk of what differentiates teams.

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But if you believe team talent is what matters most like I do, then everything else takes a backseat. In rankings, the more immeasurables you include, the more subjective the rankings get....I'm all about objectionable rankings...if it you can't measure it, it doesn't matter....that's a matter of principle, if you don't like it or at least can't respect it, then you're being closed-minded....you guys just hate the idea and how I've presented it so much that you really haven't even considered it as an honest viable ranking option.

Except that your belief doesn't track in REALITY. THe game OBJECTIVELY does not work that way. The idea is not liked because it does not track reality.

I don't give a damn if nobody else believes in this concept but me...its a very novel idea, I know it....I know what it can be in process and all of y'all are just poo pooing the IDEA without even seeing or considering it. The last thing I'm going to do is let public perception of 5 or so "haters" douse my great ideas...I'm not going to stop...I believe in this and I'm going to run with it. If you saw the rankings you'd be pleasantly surprised...that I guarantee you.

What you also didn't hear, listen to, or care to understand is that one of the ranking formats is the one that I actually use in real life, that takes things like W-L and SOS into context....I have 3...just telling you about 1.

In this game, I believe we look to emulate real life as closely as possible (given the technological limitations, obviously).

That said, I believe any ranking system should look to emulate real life as well. In that case, it should include the following factors (in no particular order):

talent
prestige (based on historical record)
current win-loss
SOS

I believe the first two are more important to a ranking system at the beginning of a season and the last two more important at the end of a season.

If you developed a ranking system that took these things into account, I believe it would have merit.

Damn, you guys have been going at it for hours now!

Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009Except that your belief doesn't track in REALITY. THe game OBJECTIVELY does not work that way. The idea is not liked because it does not track reality.

THE GAME ISN'T REALITY...its more perfect than reality and you have to treat it as such. You know what you're going to get out of your players from game to game. In real life, you don't really. This game perfects what real life cannot.

YOur belief DOES NOT track the reality OF THE GAME.

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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009YOur belief DOES NOT track the reality OF THE GAME.

You won't even concede that a ranking system that I've proposed might have some worth/value to a game of this caliber....you're not even considering the fact.

Quote: Originally Posted By xulapaul on 12/21/2009Damn, you guys have been going at it for hours now

If you're gonna slam with the colonel on something he believes in whole-heartedly...you'd better be ready lol...plus its cold outside lol.

For what it's worth, I don't see how anyone can disagree with the notion that HD player scores are an objective determination of player strength. This is unlike real life, where there are other important factors that are very difficult to quantify (psychological factors, for example).

Quote: Originally posted by xulapaul on 12/21/2009For what it's worth, I don't see how anyone can disagree with the notion that HD player scores are an objective determination of player strength. This is unlike real life, where there are other important factors that are very difficult to quantify (psychological factors, for example).

I agree. I believe that's taken into account by the "randomness" factor.

I don't think anyone disagrees that player ratings are an objective determination of player strength. We just disagree that player strength is the be all and end all of team strength.

Except that your belief doesn't track in REALITY. THe game OBJECTIVELY does not work that way. The idea is not liked because it does not track reality.

Oh, they are a determination. . however, you take two players with the exact same overall rating and they are not always equally likely to be a good player.

Which for "Overall rating of the team" to be the SOLE ranking woudl have to be true.