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It certainly would seem smart to sign a Type A every year and use 100% of your prospect budget on the best IFA that comes along.

Does nobody like WIS's solution of keeping things as is with the 30 mill cap? What's wrong with having to use 20 mill to transfer if you want to get that extra 10 mill? Because it's 10 mill that could go towards player budget? Sacrifices player payroll for the future? Seems like there's a reason they want to force that sacrifice.

If the concern is simply tanking in bad worlds, then deter tanking by enforcing a rule where you must win 100 games over 2 season or you lose your team (and figure a way for them not to get it back).
1/22/2010 3:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By e_mandat on 1/22/2010id budget 15 million every year in prospect and none in draft since i pick in the late 20's or 30's. only teams that dont sign a draft pick could compete with my offe
Even drafting the the 20's and 30's I usually pick up 3 and maybe 4 major league prospects in each draft. If you're undervaluing your second and third round picks, you're doing yourself a major disservice.

Once my payroll got high, I cut down on my IFA and prospect budgets because if my discretionary prospect spending is going to be constrained, I'm going to put it where I can get more value per dollar spent. Which is clearly the draft.
1/22/2010 3:30 PM
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They have a .250 winning percentage rule against tanking... but really.... once you've won 41 games, are you no longer a tanker???
1/22/2010 3:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By spudpicker on 1/22/2010
It certainly would seem smart to sign a Type A every year and use 100% of your prospect budget on the best IFA that comes along.

Does nobody like WIS's solution of keeping things as is with the 30 mill cap? What's wrong with having to use 20 mill to transfer if you want to get that extra 10 mill? Because it's 10 mill that could go towards player budget? Sacrifices player payroll for the future? Seems like there's a reason they want to force that sacrifice.

If the concern is simply tanking in bad worlds, then deter tanking by enforcing a rule where you must win 100 games over 2 season or you lose your team (and figure a way for them not to get it back).

The sacrifice should be for making budget changes mid-season, not the ante for playing the top-end IFA game at all. Set the max at $30m, let the budget go from $6-30 mil on budget day, and that's all you need to do.
1/22/2010 3:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By spudpicker on 1/22/2010
It certainly would seem smart to sign a Type A every year and use 100% of your prospect budget on the best IFA that comes along.

Does nobody like WIS's solution of keeping things as is with the 30 mill cap? What's wrong with having to use 20 mill to transfer if you want to get that extra 10 mill? Because it's 10 mill that could go towards player budget? Sacrifices player payroll for the future? Seems like there's a reason they want to force that sacrifice.

If the concern is simply tanking in bad worlds, then deter tanking by enforcing a rule where you must win 100 games over 2 season or you lose your team (and figure a way for them not to get it back).

Because punishing tankers would be punishing the very people responsible for this change. We can't have that! We must also punish those who can manage to keep a competitive team on the field while, at the same time, using IFA and the draft to build a strong team. Hell, the whole reason I took over a new team is because I missed having that low payroll and having to build with IFA's and the such. Now I just get to run a team with about 40 second baseman and much longer, slower process in front of me to turning the team around. I don't exactly have money to burn so I have to wonder if it's even worth the cash.
1/22/2010 3:38 PM
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Can't leagues just vote at the end of the season if a tanker team can stay in league or not? We are able to vote on every other thing why not that? Someone wins 45 games the owners get a chance to vote them out of league.
1/22/2010 3:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By e_mandat on 1/22/2010im guaranteed to have the most money....unbeatabl


Doesn't matter how much money you have if you can only offer 10m of it.

Am I somehow being misunderstood?

An IFA is produced. He has a ceiling on his bonus. That's how much you can offer.
1/22/2010 4:10 PM
gjello10
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The system you are suggesting, I think, would make it too easy for the best team to outcompete the 10th best team for IFAs.
1/22/2010 4:16 PM
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The top teams, if they are going to stay top teams for a number of seasons (which really is the goal of a dynasty game) will eventually become salary constrained. So they may not have the resources to play in the IFA playground.

As I said earlier, when that happens you're going to start spending your prospect budget where you'll get more value for your money, which is the draft. While you might pay $20m for an IFA, you may be able to get a comparable draftee for a quarter of the cost. That seems like a bargain to me.
1/22/2010 4:38 PM
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More incentive to be the best team, I'd say.
1/22/2010 4:39 PM
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Another thing they should do is have all IFA ask for 100k in the beginning. As has been noted, even with crap scouting, you know a guy who starts at 4.3m is gonna be pretty damn good.
1/22/2010 4:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/22/2010
Another thing they should do is have all IFA ask for 100k in the beginning. As has been noted, even with crap scouting, you know a guy who starts at 4.3m is gonna be pretty damn good.
That's an excellent idea. But you knew that already.
1/22/2010 4:45 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2010Another thing they should do is have all IFA ask for 100k in the beginning.   As has been noted, even with crap scouting, you know a guy who starts at 4.3m is gonna be pretty damn good.

i misunderstood the individual IFA ceiling. i dont think that is a bad idea, just that 10 million for the studs is low. the 100k idea however, i think is a great idea, and should be put into the next update.
1/22/2010 5:13 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2010Another thing they should do is have all IFA ask for 100k in the beginning.   As has been noted, even with crap scouting, you know a guy who starts at 4.3m is gonna be pretty damn good.

I completely agree with this. I often have 4m or less in intl scouting. My projections are worthless, so I usually use the starting bid and current ratings to decide if the player is worth going after. It works pretty well. There should be a bigger penalty for low Intl scouting budgets (and yes, I realize that I see fewer players).
1/22/2010 5:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jc44 on 1/22/2010
I don`t know why i`m even trying this again but....

Everybody keeps tying the IFA problem to tanking when they are separate issues.

I am in a league where last years champ just spent 32M on one IFA.

He isn`t tanking!
He won!

Instead of his #32 pick that would be very good he signed a type A FA spent no money on scouting and put it all into the IFA and got a player who is a good as a #1 pick.

If he wasn`t so sure that doing that would net him a top player he wouldn`t have done.
Well, there you are. Good for him. He figured out a strategy, fully within the rules, and employed it to his advantage. Isn't that what the game is all about? Good for him.

Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 1/22/2010
Capping IFA would prevent him from outbidding everyone on the best IFA every year.
Every year?

Someone who didn't figure out a strategy always seems to want it taken out of the game after someone else figures it out.
1/22/2010 5:25 PM
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