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Quote: Originally Posted By billabercrom on 12/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by xulapaul on 12/21/2009 For what it's worth, I don't see how anyone can disagree with the notion that HD player scores are an objective determination of player strength. This is unlike real life, where there are other important factors that are very difficult to quantify (psychological factors, for example).
I agree. I believe that's taken into account by the "randomness" factor.

I don't think anyone disagrees that player ratings are an objective determination of player strength. We just disagree that player strength is the be all and end all of team strength. That literally has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read...really.
12/21/2009 8:25 PM
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Or, What bill said.
12/21/2009 8:26 PM
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Player ratings are not the end all and be all of team strength.

And if you think that is ridiculous, oh well. YOu are in a fairly lonely place.

12/21/2009 8:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009Except that your belief doesn't track in REALITY. THe game OBJECTIVELY does not work that way. The idea is not liked because it does not track reality.

Oh, they are a determination. . however, you take two players with the exact same overall rating and they are not always equally likely to be a good player.

Which for "Overall rating of the team" to be the SOLE ranking woudl have to be true.

This game isn't REALITY...you want reality, I'll tell seble to program in on and off nights, technical fouls, random player ejections, fights with fans, referee biases...hmmm what else....broken air conditioning, a coach ****** off at a player, a player ****** off at a coach, etc, etc, etc.

And with that, I bid you ado....I'm out, its been fun and if I can get the data, I'm doing it and you'll like it more than you think you will, I guarantee that. Peace and all have a good evening.
12/21/2009 8:28 PM
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12/21/2009 8:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 12/21/2009
Except that your belief doesn't track in REALITY. THe game OBJECTIVELY does not work that way. The idea is not liked because it does not track reality.
THE GAME ISN'T REALITY...its more perfect than reality and you have to treat it as such. You know what you're going to get out of your players from game to game. In real life, you don't really. This game perfects what real life cannot.
Oh, my word. I don't know what to do with that other than stare at it blankly and shake my head in disbelief. I mean ... wow. Wow.

We hardly know what we're going to get from our players from season to season, let alone game to game. I'm just speechless over that one.

He. Doesn't. Know. HD.
12/21/2009 8:32 PM
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If you are a good coach, you DO know - basically - what you are going to get out of your players. You should know - for example - how your skilled, un-athletic PG is going to do against a fierce FCP defense. Naturally some randomness factors in, and there may be complexities that are difficult to see - but the game is based off of the numbers.
12/21/2009 8:39 PM
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12/21/2009 9:18 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by cedarking on 12/21/2009But what you fail to realize is that not all core ratings are equal, so a 750 rated team may not be a better team than a 700 rated team.  And I am not meaning st-du, I am meaning reb, sp, lp, per.

But once you negate st-du-we then it will all work out!
12/21/2009 9:20 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 12/21/2009What team are you more afraid to face....dalter with a 750 or dalter with a 700?

Since you can't have both in one world your little analogy here doesn't work (like everything else you have brought to this thread, granted have you brought anything?)

Plus I have about 500 questions about what constitutes those two teams that dalt has before I can make an accurate decision.
12/21/2009 9:21 PM
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12/21/2009 9:22 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by arssanguinus on 12/21/2009Except in this case you are utterly ignoring a major chunk of what differentiates teams.


Stop using logic, that isn't allowed in this thread.
12/21/2009 9:23 PM
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