Didn't Tim McCarver once say something to the effect of "nothing can kill a rally like a home run?"

I love how everyone is posting their HR stats and saying that HRs are down.

"No kidding?"

I mean, wasnt that the point of the update? Do we need this many people verifying, "Yep, we definitely don't have any many HRs this season". I think we're all aware of it now.

As for Tim McCarver's comment... I haven't been able to watch live baseball for years now, but I could never stand him. Nobody ever had a definite grasp of the obvious as Tim McCarver. Worst announcer EVER.

I can't believe this thread is still going, how stupid are you people?

Only 5 players hit 40 or more home runs last season in real life, Pujols lead the way with 47. Mark Reynolds had the lowest average with .260.

Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 12/19/2009I love how everyone is posting their HR stats and saying that HRs are down.

"No kidding?"

I mean, wasnt that the point of the update? Do we need this many people verifying, "Yep, we definitely don't have any many HRs this season". I think we're all aware of it now.

As for Tim McCarver's comment... I haven't been able to watch live baseball for years now, but I could never stand him. Nobody ever had a definite grasp of the obvious as Tim McCarver. Worst announcer EVER

Was it?

<<<Reduced upper end of home run frequency. The steroid era is over. >>>

This sounds like there were some super power guys who were hitting 70+ HRs and WIS found a way to get them down to reality.

It does not say that there is an across the board problem with HRs that was corrected.

Am I wrong?

Quote: Originally Posted By kingjohndevi on 12/19/2009
I can't believe this thread is still going, how stupid are you people?

Only 5 players hit 40 or more home runs last season in real life, Pujols lead the way with 47. Mark Reynolds had the lowest average with .260.

Why do you believe that this game should represent last year in baseball?

This game takes multiple closed enviroments and mets them evolve over years. It seems that some worlds may be like 2009, but some worlds may be like 1957, or 1925, or any other year.

Given that shouldnt we be concerned if what WIS implied was a small corrective issue makes a Major change in Stats??

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Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009Am I wrong?

Yes, and everyone (hopefully) is done explaining why.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009Given that shouldnt we be concerned if what WIS implied was a small corrective issue makes a Major change in Stats??

You mean corrective issues such as lowering the mound, deadening the balls after the McGwire/Sosa era, and steroid testing?

Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 12/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009 Am I wrong?

Yes, and everyone (hopefully) is done explaining why.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009 Given that shouldnt we be concerned if what WIS implied was a small corrective issue makes a Major change in Stats?

You mean corrective issues such as lowering the mound, deadening the balls after the McGwire/Sosa era, and steroid testing

You are missing my point.

WIS made it sound like this was a minor issue, just something to make sure less people hit 70 HRs. It has become a major issue that impacts every level of the game.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009It has become a major issue that impacts every level of the game

It is a sim-mosquito on an elephant's butt.

Its only a major issue to your team that has, for a long time, depended on minor leaguers over-performing.

In the broader picture...it's not the home runs. It's the engine. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player here that signed up for a somewhat realistic baseball related game. If the developers need to tweak the engine to try to make results match what the ratings dictate they should be, more power to 'em.

Swamp, if you want to take players like Gorman Thomas who in his best season hit 45 home runs and base your team around players like that, you'll continue to see results that disappoint you. You would probably bypass a player like his own teammate of that same season who hit "only" 28 home runs, yet in the same season, with 100 less plate appearances created as money runs as Thomas did.

The point of the comparison is that while Thomas created a nice 6.6 RC/27, which is production you'd like to have, all of it depended on power. Sixto Lezcano, on the other hand, had pretty good power, but created 8.8 RC/27 and was a much more valuable player that season.

When the sim engine is tweaked to make the game more realistic, the idea is that you'll survive that if you concentrate on having good players not one-dimensional ones. And that's how it should be.

Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 12/19/2009
In the broader picture...it's not the home runs. It's the engine. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player here that signed up for a somewhat realistic baseball related game. If the developers need to tweak the engine to try to make results match what the ratings dictate they should be, more power to 'em.

Swamp, if you want to take players like Gorman Thomas who in his best season hit 45 home runs and base your team around players like that, you'll continue to see results that disappoint you. You would probably bypass a player like his own teammate of that same season who hit "only" 28 home runs, yet in the same season, with 100 less plate appearances created as money runs as Thomas did.

The point of the comparison is that while Thomas created a nice 6.6 RC/27, which is production you'd like to have, all of it depended on power. Sixto Lezcano, on the other hand, had pretty good power, but created 8.8 RC/27 and was a much more valuable player that season.

When the sim engine is tweaked to make the game more realistic, the idea is that you'll survive that if you concentrate on having good players not one-dimensional ones. And that's how it should be.

+1

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 12/18/2009Didn't Tim McCarver once say something to the effect of "nothing can kill a rally like a home run?"

That was noted baseball philosopher Jeff Francouer.

we aren't going to lose players because of a war, our fake players aren't taking fake steroids >>

who says?