Sorry guys, but this is again getting anti-constructive. When that happens there's nothing useful that's going to come out of the discussion. I have your feedback throughout this thread and I'll post an update on our plans when I have more info.

Not exactly sure how people wondering what's going on is "anti-constructive" but whatever.

We're not impressed by your 2 meaningless stat additions/changes, you didn't like the fact that we weren't impressed/hopeful/thankful, etc., but like I said why should we be? Now you're tucking your tail and running because we aren't praising when praise isn't needed/deserved? Bye......

Quote: Originally posted by seble on 9/16/2009Sorry guys, but this is again getting anti-constructive. When that happens there's nothing useful that's going to come out of the discussion. I have your feedback throughout this thread and I'll post an update on our plans when I have more info.

I'm with C19.

Why praise miniscule, non-game play affecting changes? We have major issues with SIM Hoops - they have not been addressed. I'm not going to sing your praises b/c I can now see which clown wins a 6th man award.

I think the current game allows too much emphasis on 3 point shooting. Anybody who wants a winning team draft Malone, Rodman, Nash, Allen, and Stojakovich. Wait, lots of folks already do that. I know I do too because that's how you win now. It's a bit boring seeing the same players all the time.

However you adjusted FT attempts so guys like Dantley shoot half the attempts they did in real life you should do with the 3 pointer. Or have Dantley shoot his 10-12 free throws a game average. Maybe somebody will draft him then.

I believe if players got in foul trouble against Dantley, Barkley, etc. in real life the same should happen here. I know a lot of folks complained about their stars fouling out, but my opinion is different.

The defensive ratings don't seem to be worth what they cost. It peeves me when Peja or Allen put up 35 points on a 90+ defender. It often seems the overall FG% is adjusted downward against a strong defender but the 3's continue to rain down at a high percentage most of the time.

I would appreciate the thoughts of vets on what I posted in the forum about playoff fatigue.

Why does Dantley shoot half the free throws as in real life? Almost his entire value as a player was being an efficient shooter. If he doesn't get to the line so many times, his TS % drops significantly.

I have to think the easiest fixes to consider - that would be satisfying progress - would be to do a reality check on defensive ratings and position effectiveness. Things like: Zach Randolph and Troy Murphy as stellar defenders, McHale and the Mailman as small forwards and the inability of Pippen and Grant Hill to play shooting guard.

Those changes alone could make a noticeable dent in the ability of owners to exploit loopholes in the game that drive some of us - well, me anyway - crazy because they depart so much from real-life. They might require some subjective judgment calls that go beyond the comfort zone of WIS programming, but I think they're important to make anyway.

Some of the other bigger issues (around fouling tendencies, emphasis on 3 pt.-shooting, utter nerfing of almost all pre-1980 player seasons - could benefit from some thoughtful debate, market research, etc.

you just cant seem to get over the fact that McHale did in fact play small forward situationally - despite statistical measures, logical argument and anecdotes from fans and contemporaries all made available to you in these forums you still cant get this thru your head

there's a word for that

oh and colonels would you shut the hell up - we get it - you dont play the game and you dont offer constructive ideas all you do is kvetch and *****

sure I kvetch and ***** too but at least I offer up ideas and play the game (for just a little while longer)

Quote: Originally posted by monkee on 9/17/2009you just cant seem to get over the fact that McHale did in fact play small forward situationally - despite statistical measures, logical argument and anecdotes from fans and contemporaries all made available to you in these forums you still cant get this thru your headthere's a word for that

Maybe the word is "I didn't watch as many Celtics games as you."

Anyway, that's fine. I can live with McHale at SF if you and others can make a reasonable case that he logged significant time there - and did so effectively.

Are you okay with Karl Malone at SF?

Quote: Originally Posted By longtallbrad on 9/17/2009

Quote: Originally posted by monkee on 9/17/2009
you just cant seem to get over the fact that McHale did in fact play small forward situationally - despite statistical measures, logical argument and anecdotes from fans and contemporaries all made available to you in these forums you still cant get this thru your head

there's a word for that

Maybe the word is "I didn't watch as many Celtics games as you."

Anyway, that's fine. I can live with McHale at SF if you and others can make a reasonable case that he logged significant time there - and did so effectively.

dude the point is that exactly this was done last year and Im pretty sure that you were there and participated in the conversation

I dont care about Malone - Pippen unable to play SG is bs

Quote: Originally Posted By monkee on 9/17/2009

oh and colonels would you shut the hell up - we get it - you dont play the game and you dont offer constructive ideas all you do is kvetch and *****

sure I kvetch and ***** too but at least I offer up ideas and play the game (for just a little while longer)

I know what the problems are in the game, I just don't know how to go about fixing them and/or getting them fixed. Getting beat out for the last playoff spot up 7 games with 10 to go (8 were made up meaning I lost 8 while my opponent won 8) given the circumstances was incredibly wrong. I suggested that the problem is because they use pseudo randomness and everyone laughs and doesn't believe me...it deserves at least to be looked into. 61-62 Wilt only averaging 56PPG against a bunch of scrubs while only getting 4.4 BPG....HA...hilarious.

You can say what you will, but there are a lot more colonels19 supporters than there are seble supporters and I guess that doesn't say a whole lot for the guy on the company side.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 9/17/2009You can say what you will, but there are a lot more colonels19 supporters than there are seble supporters and I guess that doesn't say a whole lot for the guy on the company side.

let's take a poll:

how many people here consider themselves 'colonels19 supporters'

Quote: Originally posted by monkee on 9/17/2009oh and colonels would you shut the hell up - we get it - you dont play the game and you dont offer constructive ideas all you do is kvetch and *****sure I kvetch and ***** too but at least I offer up ideas and play the game (for just a little while longer)

Ah, THERE's that thought I've been trying to formulate into words for the last week.

In terms of the NBA sim, I support seble far more than c19.

I support change.

Lots and lots of change. (acurate defensive ratings, defensive results in line with salaries, less 3 point accuracy and frequency, more realistic better 3 point info for older players, less cluster foul problems, etc.) ASAP please.