Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 12/19/2009

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009
Am I wrong?

Yes, and everyone (hopefully) is done explaining why.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 12/19/2009
Given that shouldnt we be concerned if what WIS implied was a small corrective issue makes a Major change in Stats??

You mean corrective issues such as lowering the mound, deadening the balls after the McGwire/Sosa era, and steroid testing?

You are missing my point.

WIS made it sound like this was a minor issue, just something to make sure less people hit 70 HRs. It has become a major issue that impacts every level of the game.

Quote: Originally posted by silentpadna on 12/19/2009In the broader picture...it's not the home runs.  It's the engine.  I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player here that signed up for a somewhat realistic baseball related game.  If the developers need to tweak the engine to try to make results match what the ratings dictate they should be, more power to 'em.Swamp, if you want to take players like Gorman Thomas who in his best season hit 45 home runs and base your team around players like that, you'll continue to see results that disappoint you.  You would probably bypass a player like his own teammate of that same season who hit "only" 28 home runs, yet in the same season, with 100 less plate appearances created as money runs as Thomas did.The point of the comparison is that while Thomas created a nice 6.6 RC/27, which is production you'd like to have, all of it depended on power.  Sixto Lezcano, on the other hand, had pretty good power, but created 8.8 RC/27 and was a much more valuable player that season.When the sim engine is tweaked to make the game more realistic, the idea is that you'll survive that if you concentrate on having good players not one-dimensional ones.  And that's how it should be.   

Quote: Originally Posted By robproc on 12/20/2009

Quote: Originally posted by silentpadna on 12/19/2009
In the broader picture...it's not the home runs. It's the engine. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player here that signed up for a somewhat realistic baseball related game. If the developers need to tweak the engine to try to make results match what the ratings dictate they should be, more power to 'em.

Swamp, if you want to take players like Gorman Thomas who in his best season hit 45 home runs and base your team around players like that, you'll continue to see results that disappoint you. You would probably bypass a player like his own teammate of that same season who hit "only" 28 home runs, yet in the same season, with 100 less plate appearances created as money runs as Thomas did.

The point of the comparison is that while Thomas created a nice 6.6 RC/27, which is production you'd like to have, all of it depended on power. Sixto Lezcano, on the other hand, had pretty good power, but created 8.8 RC/27 and was a much more valuable player that season.

When the sim engine is tweaked to make the game more realistic, the idea is that you'll survive that if you concentrate on having good players not one-dimensional ones. And that's how it should be.

That's all fine and dandy, but I have players who have excellent supporting ratings who are .200 points below last season's OPS. I'm going from a 97 win team to a last place team.

I can chalk it up to being an unlucky year, but to have really good players decline that much in one season is a little weird

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/20/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By robproc on 12/20/2009

Quote: Originally posted by silentpadna on 12/19/2009

In the broader picture...it's not the home runs. It's the engine. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player here that signed up for a somewhat realistic baseball related game. If the developers need to tweak the engine to try to make results match what the ratings dictate they should be, more power to 'em.

Swamp, if you want to take players like Gorman Thomas who in his best season hit 45 home runs and base your team around players like that, you'll continue to see results that disappoint you. You would probably bypass a player like his own teammate of that same season who hit "only" 28 home runs, yet in the same season, with 100 less plate appearances created as money runs as Thomas did.

The point of the comparison is that while Thomas created a nice 6.6 RC/27, which is production you'd like to have, all of it depended on power. Sixto Lezcano, on the other hand, had pretty good power, but created 8.8 RC/27 and was a much more valuable player that season.

When the sim engine is tweaked to make the game more realistic, the idea is that you'll survive that if you concentrate on having good players not one-dimensional ones. And that's how it should be.

That's all fine and dandy, but I have players who have excellent supporting ratings who are .200 points below last season's OPS. I'm going from a 97 win team to a last place team.

I can chalk it up to being an unlucky year, but to have really good players decline that much in one season is a little weird.

No offense, but you sound like swamp.

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/20/2009swamp, the thread is 19 pages long and he's the only guy that sounds like you. Doesn't that tell you something? Are you really that obtuse, or do you endlessly bring abuse down on yourself because you are a pathological masochist and you can't control yourself?

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/20/2009
swamp, the thread is 19 pages long and he's the only guy that sounds like you. Doesn't that tell you something? Are you really that obtuse, or do you endlessly bring abuse down on yourself because you are a pathological masochist and you can't control yourself?

If you take the time to read you will find other people that are having problems with the update, to a lesser extent possibley than me.

And again I found a problem with the update and talked about it.

You are the one that just needs to attack everything and never say anything positive!

Do you disagree that the update did not do what they claimed it was designed to do?

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/21/2009
What was the story of Sisyphus? Actually, I know it...don't tell me. But this task you've undertaken is more than a little Sisyphean.

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 12/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 12/21/2009
What was the story of Sisyphus? Actually, I know it...don't tell me. But this task you've undertaken is more than a little Sisyphean.

Superb analogy. Swamp will have to look it up, and as he doesn't get it after 20 pages he'll still miss your point, but I for one would have to agree with you.


Isnt this actually you and Tropicana against everyone else?

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/21/2009Is it possible that everyone else lost interest about 18 pages ago