There are more naive posters on this site, and more argumentative posters on this site, and certainly crazier posters on this site, but b_l is without a doubt, far-and-away the dumbest poster on this site. So much so that he seems proud of continually proving it. (Sure hope he goes back to sharing his baseball "knowledge" soon, or maybe some talk about the importance and reliability of polls.)

They do it, and it's a crime, but they're not criminals. This sh*t is better than any stand-up comedian.

You are all over the place. Don't we have legal immigration here to help those who want asylum and aren't the people who cross illegally breaking our rules? We can't help everyone. Deportation has not worked because, while not you, many believe that we do have issues with illegal immigrants. So the administration ran on a tougher policy, that you disagree with. You are also speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You say border security is important but you say the vast majority of people who cross illegally are not criminals, so why is it important?

I mean you either enforce thee rules or you don't. If you want to change the rules, that is fine but I don't think the GOP supporters want that. Also "humanely" is a subjective term. Providing food, clothes, water is humane. Crossing to a country where you know you are committing an illegal act is not being humane to your kids, in my honest opinion.

Mexico has a wall between Guatemala and Mexico and harsh immigration policies. Why should we not have the same with US and Mex?

Posted by all3 on 6/20/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
There are more naive posters on this site, and more argumentative posters on this site, and certainly crazier posters on this site, but b_l is without a doubt, far-and-away the dumbest poster on this site. So much so that he seems proud of continually proving it. (Sure hope he goes back to sharing his baseball "knowledge" soon, or maybe some talk about the importance and reliability of polls.)

I am glad someone else besides me sees this.

Posted by all3 on 6/20/2018 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/20/2018 2:41:00 PM (view original):
No, the parents are not to blame. It's 100% on the administration.

Only a Californian could be this totally freakin' ridiculous.

Maybe we should let those people tell us what Nationality they are associating with more each day and treat them accordingly - wouldn't that be great b_l?

Stop bashing California. Have you ever been there? Certainly, don't judge us all by bad_luck!
Personally, I agree with you. It is partially the parents fault. They are committing a crime and there are consequences to committing a crime. That being said, they do not have to be separated from their children. Just return them to Mexico and tell them to immigrate legally.

Posted by all3 on 6/20/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):
They do it, and it's a crime, but they're not criminals. This sh*t is better than any stand-up comedian.

I think BL meant they are not career criminals, or at least most of them aren't.

BL is trying to be humanitarian about this but again not solving the problem. We need to deter illegal immigration and deportation has not been a strong enough deterrent or else DJT would not have won and the Senate and Congress would not be majority GOP.

trump would not have won if he wasn't running against someone as unlikable as HRC.

Posted by wylie715 on 6/20/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):
trump would not have won if he wasn't running against someone as unlikable as HRC.

I would say this is the 3rd time today we agree, but I'm afraid of what would happen.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/20/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):
You are all over the place. Don't we have legal immigration here to help those who want asylum and aren't the people who cross illegally breaking our rules? We can't help everyone. Deportation has not worked because, while not you, many believe that we do have issues with illegal immigrants. So the administration ran on a tougher policy, that you disagree with. You are also speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You say border security is important but you say the vast majority of people who cross illegally are not criminals, so why is it important?

I mean you either enforce thee rules or you don't. If you want to change the rules, that is fine but I don't think the GOP supporters want that. Also "humanely" is a subjective term. Providing food, clothes, water is humane. Crossing to a country where you know you are committing an illegal act is not being humane to your kids, in my honest opinion.

Mexico has a wall between Guatemala and Mexico and harsh immigration policies. Why should we not have the same with US and Mex?

We are ALWAYS going to have issues with illegal immigrants. That doesn't mean that deportation isn't an effective way to deal with it.

Border security includes a lot more than just people coming over illegally.

There is no law requiring that the government take children from their parents.

There is no wall at the Mexico-Guatemala border.

Posted by wylie715 on 6/20/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):
trump would not have won if he wasn't running against someone as unlikable as HRC.

Probably true...but the Democratic Party, for whatever reason, thought they could ram through a candidate as bad as Clinton. The question remains, did they learn their lesson or will they nominate another unelectable person in 2020? If the Democrats think they can throw anyone out there and simply run on an anti-Trump theme, they may be surprised (again.)

"Mexico has a wall between Guatemala and Mexico and harsh immigration policies. Why should we not have the same with US and Mex?"

I've been silent on this topic for quite a while. I live in a border state. I've visited Sonora for pleasure. I read a bit. One of my favorite writers is/was Charles Bowden. (He sadly passed away a few years ago) Bowden's final "topic" of in depth investigation/truth-telling was on the borderlands and the issues surrounding the "border" with Mexico. In addition, I've spent a LOT of time in Tucson (I still have a daughter living their) and have enjoyed immensely the culture/lifestyle offered by the multi-cultural atmosphere that is present in Tucson. Tucson has a direct connection with Mexico that has existed long before our present borderline. People have crossed back and forth for literally hundreds of years........families live on both sides of the (present) border. Both Indian tribes AND wildlife inhabit and move seasonally without regard for fences or borders. Have (as I said) forever. For the State of Arizona Mexico is our largest trading partner. So, I feel I have a right to speak with some direct knowledge about this issue.

Boris, the simple answer to your question is that "we do"........ already! With the exception of the usage of your word "harsh" which is (we, as a Country have decided) not something we American practice....... short of war.......on anybody. Friend or foe, and certainly not on innocent children who are in a position NOT of their own making.

We already have laws......... and border walls (where appropriate)......... and fences (which fall down or get torn down or scaled or tunneled under) and NONE of that will ever do any good in stopping people from choosing to try and improve their living conditions. AND we need some of these immigrants to do the jobs WE won't do anymore........at least not for what the job can afford. YOU going to have your daughters pick lettuce? Without immigrant workers you'll be paying a whole LOT for a head of lettuce........ and lots of other jobs won't get done. Heck most of our meatplant workers any more are immigrants.

There is ONE essential difference between the immigration going on now and what went on in the 1800's..........the color of the immigrants.
And NOW, the party in office has at it's head a racist. Just like Germany in the 1930's. Huzzah!! and Heil On!

Now, as to this present "crisis" of separating children from their parents. THAT problem was caused/initiated by the policy established on behalf of the Trump admin. by (the one and only) Jefferson Beauregard Sessions commonly referred to as the "No tolerance" policy. Which required DHS to CRIMINALLY prosecute these cases rather than civilly. THUS, the whole blow-up was self imposed and the bottom line (party with name responsiblility for the issuance of the policy) is (again) SESSIONS!

Now that this has blown up on Trump and caused all this embarrassment resulting in TRUMP having to back down you can bet your last dime that Sessions will be scapegoated and that Trump will USE this F-up as the impetus to fire Sessions!! Which He (of course) has been dying to do so that He can try and stop the Mueller investigation that I'd bet my last dime nails Trump on money laundering........among other things!
The real seer hath spoken. :-)

Posted by wylie715 on 6/20/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):
trump would not have won if he wasn't running against someone as unlikable as HRC.

And Cleveland would have won if they weren't playing a team like GSW. #1 you never know and #2 you never know.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/20/2018 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/20/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):
You are all over the place. Don't we have legal immigration here to help those who want asylum and aren't the people who cross illegally breaking our rules? We can't help everyone. Deportation has not worked because, while not you, many believe that we do have issues with illegal immigrants. So the administration ran on a tougher policy, that you disagree with. You are also speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You say border security is important but you say the vast majority of people who cross illegally are not criminals, so why is it important?

I mean you either enforce thee rules or you don't. If you want to change the rules, that is fine but I don't think the GOP supporters want that. Also "humanely" is a subjective term. Providing food, clothes, water is humane. Crossing to a country where you know you are committing an illegal act is not being humane to your kids, in my honest opinion.

Mexico has a wall between Guatemala and Mexico and harsh immigration policies. Why should we not have the same with US and Mex?

We are ALWAYS going to have issues with illegal immigrants. That doesn't mean that deportation isn't an effective way to deal with it.

Border security includes a lot more than just people coming over illegally.

There is no law requiring that the government take children from their parents.

There is no wall at the Mexico-Guatemala border.

So you are OK leaving it as status quo? There is fencing as well as natural barriers between Mex and Guat.

I never said there was. I said they did it to deter illegal immigration. Rightly or wrongly.