I'm just popping back into the thread. When seble shows up, it's either really good or really bad.

Is this just because gill wanted to look in another world? haha

I was really hoping seble wanted to participate in the thread...

yeah he just came back to yell at me :) he did it very nicely though! he's obviously right, but over the years people have sent me their account info so many times, almost always unsolicited, so i sort of am de-sensitized to it here.

actually, it just struck me, can't you gamble on other parts of the site now? if so, they probably really frown on asking for passwords and stuff... i'm lucky he didn't ban me from the forums for a while, now that i think about it. thanks seble!

Posted by pallas on 11/27/2019 4:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 11/27/2019 4:51:00 PM (view original):
Also, there's this weird random decimal thing I am not typing but appears with my posts now, both on my laptop and iPhone. It means nothing. I guess today's is "6.4.1"

Edit: wth it didnt happen to this post

6.4.1

Edit pt 2: WTF when I added the edit it came

It's been 6.4.1 every time I've seen it. I was curious as to what it was too.

I thought cub was just into the Mayan Long Count calendar, or something.

I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

For some, it's a time thing. A coach I talk to often, am good friends with wants a second team, but he doesn't really have the time to dedicate to another team. He mentioned the idea of co-coaching.

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

For some, it's a time thing. A coach I talk to often, am good friends with wants a second team, but he doesn't really have the time to dedicate to another team. He mentioned the idea of co-coaching.

I'm this guy top. I have enough time to really focus on recruiting about once a year, and to gameplan super hard for about a week once per season as well for my one team. But I could not take any more. But I kind of want a second team.

I would have enough time to do 90% a good job about 90% of the time, but I'm not going to drop the quality of my two teams and up the quantity by 1.

Posted by gillispie1 on 12/1/2019 6:46:00 PM (view original):
hey, i'm trying to look at knight world to potentially pick a team to co-coach with someone, but its super annoying trying to get the lay of the land without access to an active team in the world where you can view conferences and RPI listings and such. could someone with an active team in knight let me hop on to look around for a day or so?

while i'm at it, if someone with a knight team is looking for a team analysis (doesn't have to be the knight team), i'd certainly be up for that. now that i don't have any solo teams, i definitely have some time for a team review or two. i just ask that the requester 1) picks a team that they put a bunch of effort into building, that is a fairly decent representation of what they wanted to build (not much value in scrutinizing a team that hasn't been coached deliberately), and 2) is up to read a lengthy response. i generally put a good couple hours into it, mostly spent typing, so its a decently long read and there is usually some back and forth.

Do you already have a co-coach?

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/3/2019 10:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

For some, it's a time thing. A coach I talk to often, am good friends with wants a second team, but he doesn't really have the time to dedicate to another team. He mentioned the idea of co-coaching.

Who's that?

6.4.1

Honestly, I'm just hoping you also consider us good friends. If not, it just got awkward.

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/3/2019 10:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

For some, it's a time thing. A coach I talk to often, am good friends with wants a second team, but he doesn't really have the time to dedicate to another team. He mentioned the idea of co-coaching.

Who's that?

6.4.1

Honestly, I'm just hoping you also consider us good friends. If not, it just got awkward.

I would say it is kind of a Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo situation.

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/3/2019 10:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 12/3/2019 10:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pallas on 12/3/2019 10:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

For some, it's a time thing. A coach I talk to often, am good friends with wants a second team, but he doesn't really have the time to dedicate to another team. He mentioned the idea of co-coaching.

Who's that?

6.4.1

Honestly, I'm just hoping you also consider us good friends. If not, it just got awkward.

I would say it is kind of a Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo situation.

6.4.1

Oh.

Well.

Now I just feel happy for us.

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/3/2019 10:09:00 PM (view original):
I think I mentioned this once before here, and gill, you seem to be really good for the game of HD. Helpful. Lots of knowledge. Good person. I generally agree with most things you say. And I can't think of anything I've strongly disagreed about. I'll go as far as to say I like you and respect you here.

But why on earth would anybody co-coach a team in HD?! Why would you want to? It's one of the most odd things I've heard of here. And we all know the forums is a place of weird ****!!!!

But why not just talk with other coaches? Sitemail. Tell them how a player can be used. Etc.... but co-coach? Is it like a Monday Wednesday Friday thing? Is it a regular season post season switch off? It just makes no sense to me. And I'm not being mean, but how is that entertaining? Maybe my examples were dumb. But I'm sincerely asking you.

thanks!

basically, i've come to hate the actual act of doing stuff in HD, and the associated penalties for not doing stuff. i hate having to check in, so i dont, so the team tanks and i waste all the effort i did put in. other times, i force myself to do stuff and then i feel like i *really* have to KEEP doing more stuff, because i'd throw away all that accumulated effort from doing stuff previously. which makes me loathe doing stuff even more. its a whole thing, i suppose.

actually co-coaching is super time consuming and i've liked it, but i definitely don't have the interest to do that anymore - where we make each decision together along the way and talk about a crazy amount of stuff. really, when i say co-coaching now, i mean that i drop in on occasion, participate in the general strategy (which is all the interesting stuff anyway), and have someone to talk to about HD who sort of can't ignore me. so maybe my co-coaches are less co-coaches and more verbal hostages??

All understandable comments. I can see time being an issue for some. But I guess that wasn't the idea that I pictured. I pictured daily check ins and arguing over whether to give a player 8 distro, or a 9. Haha. And fighting over which recruit to target. (Or trying to pick up where one of you recruited the first two days and the other coach recruits to day 3 and 4)

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/5/2019 11:29:00 AM (view original):
All understandable comments. I can see time being an issue for some. But I guess that wasn't the idea that I pictured. I pictured daily check ins and arguing over whether to give a player 8 distro, or a 9. Haha. And fighting over which recruit to target. (Or trying to pick up where one of you recruited the first two days and the other coach recruits to day 3 and 4)

well, the actual co-coaching does involve all that, and its actually pretty great. i love haggling over which recruit to target and how much, especially with a smart coach who can challenge me on stuff. i also like debating the merits of the finer points of a team setup (8 distro or 9). that stuff is all great. really, those discussions are the only reason i play.

splitting like, one day of recruiting to the next, that makes no sense. what is great is if you are travelling, the other coach can take 100% of recruiting and you don't just get bent, or find yourself standing on a hill desperate for a bar to try to at least do *something* to avoid a total meltdown. or hiding in the bathroom while your wife delivers the baby trying not to miss a cycle (i forget who did that, but that came from an HD coach).

really, the best part is having a sounding board and partner for the strategy in mind for the team and for the program. what are we trying to achieve in general, why is that a good plan, having a partner in the grand scheme is pretty cool. looking forward has a lot of uncertainty. i've always claimed that at the outset of recruiting, you need to be envisioning what your team looks like at the end of this season, the next, and the one after, and how the recruits you are targeting are going to fit in with that team, in the context of the overall vision for the program.

that gets complicated - its good to get a check on that. even just standing there before exhibition, trying to look to the end of the season and the end of the next season, trying to figure out how you will juggle minutes and manage player development, EE planning, all of that - that is fun too. all those unknowns, you really need to take your understanding of HD as a whole as superimpose your existing team on top of it, and try to basically model what will happen. there's a lot to mess up in there, a lot of theory at play, and i enjoy having someone to talk to about all the assumptions, projections, and decisions involved.

day-to-day, i haven't coached my own teams in a decade, so i just leave that to the co-coach. but we will haggle over the 8 and 9 distro in the NT, the subtle aspects of the rotation, all that. plus i like the mentoring part of this game, and even when i work with someone with a bunch of titles, there's generally quite a bit of wisdom for me to impart. so throw all that together, and that is why i like it. the part about them really being more of a verbal hostage was kind of a joke. its half true too, though.

Posted by gillispie1 on 12/5/2019 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/5/2019 11:29:00 AM (view original):
All understandable comments. I can see time being an issue for some. But I guess that wasn't the idea that I pictured. I pictured daily check ins and arguing over whether to give a player 8 distro, or a 9. Haha. And fighting over which recruit to target. (Or trying to pick up where one of you recruited the first two days and the other coach recruits to day 3 and 4)

well, the actual co-coaching does involve all that, and its actually pretty great. i love haggling over which recruit to target and how much, especially with a smart coach who can challenge me on stuff. i also like debating the merits of the finer points of a team setup (8 distro or 9). that stuff is all great. really, those discussions are the only reason i play.

splitting like, one day of recruiting to the next, that makes no sense. what is great is if you are travelling, the other coach can take 100% of recruiting and you don't just get bent, or find yourself standing on a hill desperate for a bar to try to at least do *something* to avoid a total meltdown. or hiding in the bathroom while your wife delivers the baby trying not to miss a cycle (i forget who did that, but that came from an HD coach).

really, the best part is having a sounding board and partner for the strategy in mind for the team and for the program. what are we trying to achieve in general, why is that a good plan, having a partner in the grand scheme is pretty cool. looking forward has a lot of uncertainty. i've always claimed that at the outset of recruiting, you need to be envisioning what your team looks like at the end of this season, the next, and the one after, and how the recruits you are targeting are going to fit in with that team, in the context of the overall vision for the program.

that gets complicated - its good to get a check on that. even just standing there before exhibition, trying to look to the end of the season and the end of the next season, trying to figure out how you will juggle minutes and manage player development, EE planning, all of that - that is fun too. all those unknowns, you really need to take your understanding of HD as a whole as superimpose your existing team on top of it, and try to basically model what will happen. there's a lot to mess up in there, a lot of theory at play, and i enjoy having someone to talk to about all the assumptions, projections, and decisions involved.

day-to-day, i haven't coached my own teams in a decade, so i just leave that to the co-coach. but we will haggle over the 8 and 9 distro in the NT, the subtle aspects of the rotation, all that. plus i like the mentoring part of this game, and even when i work with someone with a bunch of titles, there's generally quite a bit of wisdom for me to impart. so throw all that together, and that is why i like it. the part about them really being more of a verbal hostage was kind of a joke. its half true too, though.

Mentoring is the part of the game that I love most, at this point in my career. The TopDogg coaching tree of success that is underneath of me is starting to look better than Bill Belichick's! And I enjoy talking daily with my HD friends. Just not in the form of a team that we would share.

so with all this being said, the way you worded things, is it safe to say that you don't even technically play HD right now? Or in decades? You just come here and talk about it?

nah, that's not really what i meant. i did have 3 years or so at the start of the last decade where i was pretty much 'retired in place'. sometimes that would get pretty awful, i might check in 6 games in, spend 20 minutes half assing a setup, then check back before the post season - if that. would regularly lose guys to grades who had 0 sh and they failed out, and i wouldnt even notice in time to adjust the depth chart. might not realize recruiting started until a day in. but mostly, after those 3 years or so, it wasn't like that. also i retired for real for like 3, 3.5 years, until 6 months ago or so.

but in those 4-5 years in the middle, i definitely played. i just didn't do it daily - i think a lot of coaches skip game planning and stuff. i would still spend a lot of time, i mean not every season, but a bunch of them. some seasons i even spent a ton of time. recruiting i was more diligent about on the whole, probably most seasons in that 4 years, i put in at least a moderate amount of effort, and was pretty good about not missing critical cycles and stuff. and a decent % of the time, i would do everything i could, recruit at 100% so to speak.

it was the regular season where i'd slack more. i did stuff in sessions, start of the season, possibly a couple regular season checkups, and before the post season. i'd basically have strategy sessions, over a full season (with recruiting) i might have 3, 4, 5 sessions where i'd spend an hour or two working on the team, even 3-4 for recruiting. i could definitely have spent 15 hours in those sessions in my top 20% of seasons or so, and for a good 75% of seasons in that period, i probably spent at least 5 hours?

i think 5 hours across a season is really a pretty decent amount of time for many coaches - i just would do a bunch and then take a week or few off. for the 15-20% of teams i really cared about, i'd also game plan like a madman in the tournament. during the title runs and stuff, i'd spend a half hour game planning all post season. i could even spend an hour doing a major analysis on the other team (basically what i do when i spend a couple hours doing a team analysis for someone, but that is 80% typing), and then i'd do my game plan - for really critical games here and there (maybe 1-2x per post season for the 15-20% teams i really cared about).

i never was a coach who could run 8 teams like some of these guys :) when i started, i was doing that 20-30m game planning stuff every day. well, more like half the games, but i would do that with two 2/day teams at a time, so it was like a good hour of game planning a day, just to do half the games for 2 teams - and i would at least spend a few minutes on the other games. i might carry 1-2 more teams in those days, but those got 2m game plans and such, i could only handle 2 real ones because it was so involved.

i loved the game back then, like immensely, i had a beyond-reasonable amount of fun with it. but i did get burnt out. there was so much learning to do in the beginning too, and although i've learned much since then, that 20-30m of game planning stopped being so valuable - it was all analysis and learning time, really. so then i cut back to just doing the really important stuff - but when i really care about a team, i still try to do that really important stuff really well, and its still really time consuming and lots of effort and so i get burnt out from that.

so its true that most of the time, i just coast, but i generally have spent a lot of time on this game the last 6 month and for those 4-5 years. and i spent hours per week on the forums and CC and sitemail, especially for those 3 'retired in place' years. and even some of the early ones where i was fully retired :)