I guess it needs to be reminded that it was shown that plenty of the looting.....there was no rioting.....plenty of the looting was from anti black white nationalists trying to make blm look bad and dreaming about Helter smelter.

Posted by all3 on 8/18/2020 3:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 8/18/2020 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Race /% of population /% of killings by cops
white/ 60% /17%
Black /13%/ 43%
Hispanic/ 12%/ 33%
Other /15% /6%

Thanks wylie, and as I said, police reform is very much needed. What I was saying was what % of black deaths are at the hands of police? Seems there are many causes that should be of equal or greater concern.

Non-Hispanic black, Male, All ages	Percent
1) Heart disease	23.7%
2) Cancer	20.2%
3) Unintentional injuries	7.9%
4) Homicide	5.0%
5) Stroke	4.9%
6) Diabetes	4.3%
7) Chronic lower respiratory diseases	3.2%
8) Kidney disease	2.6%
9) Septicemia	1.7%
10) Hypertension	1.6%

You bring up more things that conservatives don't want to address.

Why do black people get significantly worse health outcomes? This is a problem that progressives talk about and want to fix.

Why do black people commit crime at disproportionate rates and have substantially worse socio-economic outcomes? These are problems that progressives try to fix.

To a conservative, the end answer to these questions will be one of two things. Black people are naturally inferior (it's genetic), or they aren't, and systemic racism has ****** them over historically, but all of it is gone now and government sucks so there's literally nothing we can do besides go up to every black person's door and tell them not to commit crimes and also to get a job. Problem solved.

This is my problem with people disingenuously pivoting to other issues; you don't actually want to solve these problems. I have never seen a conservative solution to these issues besides "more police lol" and "personal responsibility." We on the left DO offer solutions, backed up by data, to these complex problems. You don't. Don't bring up a problem that you aren't willing to solve.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/18/2020 3:23:00 PM (view original):
not saying the focus is right, but people who don't support BLM will use the rioting and looting to criticize BLM. If there was no looting or rioting, of course, they'd find something else.

MLK got these exact same criticisms in the 60's.

Wylie - The conservative reaction to those statistics would be that you aren't adjusting for the crime rate. When you adjust for that, the numbers fall more or less into line.

Look at these centrists afraid of a little looting and rioting. You know what's worse than anything like that? MURDER. George Floyd was murdered in cold blood by racist cops.

As far as I am concerned, looting of insured large corporate businesses should be encouraged until reparations are passed. Capitalists only understand one thing...make their bottom line hurt until they becone advocates of social justice.

This is my problem with people disingenuously pivoting to other issues; you don't actually want to solve these problems. I have never seen a conservative solution to these issues besides "more police lol" and "personal responsibility." We on the left DO offer solutions, backed up by data, to these complex problems. You don't. Don't bring up a problem that you aren't willing to solve.

Well said.

Posted by coreander on 8/18/2020 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Look at these centrists afraid of a little looting and rioting. You know what's worse than anything like that? MURDER. George Floyd was murdered in cold blood by racist cops.

As far as I am concerned, looting of insured large corporate businesses should be encouraged until reparations are passed. Capitalists only understand one thing...make their bottom line hurt until they becone advocates of social justice.

I think I've mentioned this before but you're an idiot. So, looting of insured large corporate businesses is okay? Where do you think those corporations get the money to pay their insurance premiums (which will surely go up after they are looted)? From anyone who buys whatever their service of business is. Take Walmart, for instance. If people loot at Walmart, Walmart insurance premiums will go up. If walmart insurance premiums go up, walmart prices will go up. The people who shop at walmart will have to pay those higher prices. Those higher premiums will not be paid out of the owners pockets.

You call me a centrist like it is something to be ashamed of. I'd rather be a centrist than an extreme radical who makes statements and proclamations without any thought about logic, or anyone else than himself (sounds sort of like Trump, doesn't it?)

According to Miles Taylor, Trump wanted to swap Greenland for Puerto Rico because Puerto Rico is "dirty" and "poor".

Trump is a racist.

We know he is a racist.
i think what you meant to say is that trump is a piece of ****.

apologies to ****.

Extremely effective speech from Joe Biden. No gaffes, built his own credibility, and laid out a positive vision for America.

By the way, this should be a lesson to Republicans in setting the bar low. For months, they portrayed Joe Biden as old, senile, dementia-ridden, unable to speak.

He was far more coherent in tonight's speech than Trump has been in four years in the oval office.

Posted by tangplay on 8/21/2020 12:43:00 AM (view original):
By the way, this should be a lesson to Republicans in setting the bar low. For months, they portrayed Joe Biden as old, senile, dementia-ridden, unable to speak.

He was far more coherent in tonight's speech than Trump has been in four years in the oval office.

To be fair, it wasn’t just Republicans.

Proud Boys squared off against antifa in Portland today. Proud boys show up, police leave and let them fight. Proud boys get pushed back and run off, police immediately call it an unlawful assembly and start brutalizing the left.

Police are now actively defending far-right groups. They are one and the same. And now half of the right wingers are ******* praising a white supremacist group for confronting (and losing to) antifa (who are heroes, btw).

This is how conservatives and moderates become fascists.

back off bugaloo

portlanders decide who heroes are in portland

don't you have your own town to stand up in or stand up to

I'm predicting that if Trump wins a 2nd term, by 2024 there will be more self-identified fascists or fascist aligned people on the right than traditional or moderate conservatives.