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Quote: Originally Posted By jsturgis5866 on 9/25/2009Problem is, the Tryout Camp guys are too good. No pitchers should have splits in double digits... IOW, they should be worse than 99% of draftees. If they do Tryout pos. players, that's fine with me. Just make 'em all DH/1B types with no offensive ratings in double digits.
It's funny to read a post that describes Tryout Camp pitchers as "too good".

FWIW, Jim Morris was signed out of Tryout Camp and made it to the majors.
9/29/2009 2:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By csherwood on 9/29/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By jsturgis5866 on 9/25/2009
Problem is, the Tryout Camp guys are too good. No pitchers should have splits in double digits... IOW, they should be worse than 99% of draftees. If they do Tryout pos. players, that's fine with me. Just make 'em all DH/1B types with no offensive ratings in double digits.
This would defeat the point. The issue I have in almost every world is that I like to have 3 catchers and 3 shortstops available at each level. I dont care about offense, just a guy that can play the position for the minor league season. I normally just barely get there with catchers and come up a couple shortstops shy of my goal, even though I routinely try to draft 4-5 shortstops every season (yet always seem to only get 2 or 3 -- I suspect the draft classes are running out of them).

I think cutting dowm the amount of rounds in the draft is fine by me - i could care less about anyone drafted after round 6 or 7, and normally only sign skill position players (though if I have extra prospect money at the end of the season I may grab a few more just to fill out some inactive lists and leave me in better shape if Iget hit by a ton of retirements in the offseason).

I have a formula for the exact number of players at each position that I want at each level. I just want to be able to fill my quotas, even if it is with garbage. Give me more guys with 75-75-75-75 projected defense and 10-2-13-13-20 projected offense so I can do that.



Bad idea. That would cheapen the value of legit BL players. I usually have a guy who can't hit at all on my roster. Just to play corner D as a late inning replacement. Same goes with catchers. I'll draft a defensive catcher or 3 so I have 3 catchers at most levels.
9/29/2009 2:38 PM
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Our plan with tryout camp position players was touched on earlier:

We plan on having a percentage of unsigned draft picks re-enter the draft in later seasons (if eligible). We also plan on having a percentage of unsigned draft picks (if eligible) enter the tryout camp system. Same thing with pitchers.

It's not in the next update or two, but it's coming sooner or later.
9/30/2009 8:56 AM
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Any thoughts on shortening the draft? Without DITR, I doubt anyone has had an 11th round or later pick make the bigs. Unless they were tanking.
9/30/2009 9:48 AM
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I'd rather they didn't shorten the draft.

For years with big minor league FA and/or retirement numbers in my minors, I'll regularly only have a handful of players on my RL team before the draft. I need all 20-25 warm bodies since I regularly go 0 on IFAs.
9/30/2009 10:10 AM
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It would be in conjuction with the unsigned draftees forming a minor league FA pool.
9/30/2009 10:15 AM
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As long as there's a supply of minor league position player fodder, besides the IFA market, I'm not overly concerned how it's done.
9/30/2009 10:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009And you'll have a bigger pool to choose from. MG, who does a pretty good job at keeping up minors, has 92 unsigned position players from this season's draft. Rounds 11-25.


My suggestion would have 92+ players in the minor league FA pool after the draft.
9/30/2009 10:21 AM
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Awesome.
9/30/2009 10:25 AM
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thx. i work out
9/30/2009 10:27 AM
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Some worlds have issue with minor league players. As in they do not have enough(or any) minor league position player FA. This is because some people don't sign non-prospects. Others never promot non-prospects and they retire. Those(like a new owner) who want to maintain their minors get frustrated because they cannot do so for 2-3 seasons due to this lack of players.

As I said, shortening the draft and making the undrafted players minor league FA would lessen this problem. Those who want to maintain their minors will have the facilities. Those who weren't going to sign those late draftees will miss nothing.

Now, if you want to respond, feel free. Troll for a redline(by mentioning a redline) and I'll happily provide you with one.

9/30/2009 12:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009
Some worlds have issue with minor league players. As in they do not have enough(or any) minor league position player FA. This is because some people don't sign non-prospects. Others never promot non-prospects and they retire. Those(like a new owner) who want to maintain their minors get frustrated because they cannot do so for 2-3 seasons due to this lack of players.

As I said, shortening the draft and making the undrafted players minor league FA would lessen this problem. Those who want to maintain their minors will have the facilities. Those who weren't going to sign those late draftees will miss nothing.

Now, if you want to respond, feel free. Troll for a redline(by mentioning a redline) and I'll happily provide you with one.

Why shorten the draft then? You achieve the same result by putting unsigned drafted players (and the undrafted players) into the tryout camp pool at the beginning of the next year without penalizing the people who actually draft AA level talent in the later rounds.

My way means NO PROGRAMMING CHANGES for the draft, and allows shrewd drafters to keep some homegrown talent to fill the lower levels (and hopefully yield some DITR). Part of the appeal of the game is developing DRAFTED players into AA/AAA fodder, even if they won't ever make the majors.
9/30/2009 1:08 PM
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Why? Do you have an example of any players, without DITR, who were drafted in the 11th round or later? There really isn't any point to 25 rounds. It isn't modeled after MLB, is it?
9/30/2009 1:12 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009Why? Do you have an example of any players, without DITR, who were drafted in the 11th round or later? There really isn't any point to 25 rounds. It isn't modeled after MLB, is it
I drafted Carson Nicholas in the 22nd round. He was not a DITR.
9/30/2009 1:17 PM
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that guy sux!!!
9/30/2009 1:18 PM
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