The Sky Is Falling II:The Sky Falls Again Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 9/29/2009
Then what you should do, if one of your worlds was in jeopardy of contraction -- had lots of openings that weren't filling -- would be to assist the commish in filling the remaining spots with quality owners.

If there's the potential for 30 or so worlds that are at risk of contraction, make sure yours isn't #27, #28, #29 or #30.

The worlds which don't fill, and which don't have a core of veteran owners willing to go the extra mile to get them filled, should logically be the ones to contract first. They would have the least # of owners who cared about the long-term future of that world, right?

Another good suggestion.

If I remember correctly, when MLHB was on the verge of being eliminated, the commish did absolutely nothing to try to recruit. Only the tanker (who had the most to lose) tried to recruit, and in a quite half-assed manner.

Nobody else lifted a finger to try to save that world, nobody else offered to step up as a new commissioner, nada.

In the end, MLHB was a victim of it's own problems (which led to all it's open teams) AND was a victim of it's own apathy.
9/29/2009 7:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Lowering cost never works. You want a healthy game not a cheap game.

It's already $.27 a day. It's easy to grow disinterested in something that costs nothing. Make it a dime a day and the classifieds will be full of "Need replacement owner for abandoned team!"

Agreed. Lower costs only artifically increases demand. Artificial demand cannot be sustained for any long period of time.
9/29/2009 7:45 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 9/29/2009
Maybe it was a good world when they joined, and has since been ruined certain HBD personalities who are known to join and destroy worlds? Why should the long-term, responsible owner then be penalized?

Like I said.. if they took a team away from me that I'd been shaping for 14 seasons, I'd be gone IMMEDIATELY, and I'm guessing that holds true for many, MANY other HBD owners.
I know nobody wants to hear this ... and I know that sitting here now, we can't undo the past ... but why did so many people fail to consider the future when they picked worlds to join in the first place?

if you joined a private world with a poor commish and lax admission standards, things were/are not going to end well ... and there are 32 owners in every world ... those owners should have a say in how the world was/is run

note that I completely understand the frustration involved in "losing" a franchise you have been invested in for 2 or more actual years ... but every time this topic comes up, the claimed vicitimzation by owners who stood idily by as their worlds got HAKed up never ceases to amaze me

but that is just my two cents and merely an opinion ... and those with an opposite opinion will just deem this post as "elitist" to maintain the delusion that they are but an innocent victim of WiS' anti-customer ways
9/29/2009 8:06 AM
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I mentioned this earlier. WifS should contract the newest leagues that don't fill within a week. Start with worlds under 10 seasons. If they're public, they have 7 days to fill. If they're private, they can remain private for as long as they want. Give every public world the right to go private at next rollover to give them a chance to "save" themselves for possible contraction. Give owners credits for contracted teams(up to $24.95 based on tenure in the world).

There will be ******** and crying. But, at some point, owners will be waiting for World Whatever to roll and hoping it has an opening so they can get another team.

At this point, I'd suggest creating a board for a "waiting list". Let owners put their names on the list and give commishes of private worlds access to the names. They'll be able to contact owners for potential openings.

If/when demand exceeds supply, WifS can create a public world but let them know that they will be subject to contraction at rollover if they don't fill in 7 days. They probably will, due to the waiting list, but they will know the risk. WifS-created worlds would always be public(for n00bs) and would always be subject to contraction.
9/29/2009 8:08 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 9/28/2009I believe 4 worlds have been contracted into 2 worlds? Maybe 6 into 3. Pretty sure no more than that.

And the bad news is that baseball season is coming to an end. Interest in HBD will wane even further.
I would argue the opposite, as HBD is my baseball fix over the winter. I'm sure it's similar for others.
9/29/2009 8:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
Lowering cost never works. You want a healthy game not a cheap game.

It's already $.27 a day. It's easy to grow disinterested in something that costs nothing. Make it a dime a day and the classifieds will be full of "Need replacement owner for abandoned team!"



This is a good point. If it was any cheaper I might not do anything else. I guess the price of it makes you more apt to want to compete.

Then again theres the tankers. I dont get tanking 3,4,5 seasons just for a chance to win a WS a bunch of times in a row. If I pick up an abandoned team mid season that is miserable I still do everything I can from that point on to win.

Anyways I hate you miket23. You make too much sense sometimes.
9/29/2009 10:09 AM
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if hbd was cheaper, i'd take on a couple more teams (as long as rollover/start of the season stuff didn't overlap too much).

i'm sure other 'good' owners would as well. this would lead to more owners who care being in more leagues, strengthening them (and hbd as a whole). worlds would refill and roll quicker.

that said, yeah, cheaper teams/promo codes/incentives would get more dickweeds trying to get into more worlds as well

i guess the point is: no matter how much teams cost or how many worlds there are, keep the retards out in the first place and it'll be easier to keep worlds around/going
9/29/2009 10:13 AM
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The only solution is less worlds. How to get there can be discussed. Everything else is just a band-aid.

I think back to the beginning of HD. I said "I'll join in S2. Let them work out the bugs." Then, when S2 came around, people were still clamoring to play. You looked forward to the email that said "World Smith has 48 openings" and you rushed to sign up so you wouldn't get shut out. HBD needs to create that enviroment. The "Bah, this team is old. I'll drop it and choose from any of the 200 other available teams" attitude doesn't work. It's a proven fact.
9/29/2009 10:29 AM
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I think most of us can agree that less teams does seem like the best possible solution. However, overlooked is the fact that while one world was contracted and a couple were merged, two more were created. WiS has one primary goal, and that is to make money. I think I agree with Mike in that a more aggressive approach needs to be taken to close/contract worlds to lessen the overall number of teams. Not adding any worlds would probably go a long way to reducing the overall number of teams as wel....
9/29/2009 11:35 AM
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I'm not against new worlds AS NEEDED. Right now, they are not needed. I actually agree with adding the Gleeman2 world. Supposedly, he was bringing in a buttload of new people. If they like the game, and not just the "special" group, maybe a few of them add teams. Not sure it worked that way but the concept is good.

But, from this day forward, I'd only open worlds under the WifS banner AS NEEDED. They would be public, they would stay public and they would close if they couldn't fill in 7 days.
9/29/2009 11:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 9/29/2009I know nobody wants to hear this ... and I know that sitting here now, we can't undo the past ... but why did so many people fail to consider the future when they picked worlds to join in the first place
if you joined a private world with a poor commish and lax admission standards, things were/are not going to end well ...
Since a commissioner in a world they are considering joining is a guy whom they never met, they probably joined without their magical mental telepathy to determine what kind of a commissioner the guy is. That would be my guess.
9/29/2009 12:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/29/2009
The only solution is less worlds.
Exactly.





... well, there could be a better marketing, creating higher demand.







... and a better product, creating higher retention.







... and better administration of the game by WIS, getting rid of problem users for example.
9/29/2009 12:23 PM
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Since a commissioner in a world they are considering joining is a guy whom they never met, they probably joined without their magical mental telepathy to determine what kind of a commissioner the guy is. That would be my guess
A potential owner does have the ability to contact a world's existing owner and ask about the commish, the quality of the world, etc.

No "magical mental telepathy" (or sarcasm) required.
9/29/2009 12:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By unclevic on 9/29/2009Since a commissioner in a world they are considering joining is a guy whom they never met, they probably joined without their magical mental telepathy to determine what kind of a commissioner the guy is. That would be my guess
I actually HAVE met the commish of both the worlds I am in
9/29/2009 12:35 PM
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Plus, if you read the forums on a regular basis, you can usually get a good idea of the quality of at least some of the worlds (Dream League, for example).
9/29/2009 12:35 PM
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