6yr MLFAs and ratings growth Topic

MikeT23
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We've tried to answer your question(s).

Improvement slows "substantially" after 3-4 seasons.

Players with "great potential" don't become 6-year minor league FA.

What else do you want?
10/13/2009 2:04 PM
MikeT23
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Damn. Are you deleting posts?
10/13/2009 2:05 PM
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He gained seven points OVR between age 22 and age 23. He is currently seven points from his ceiling. So yes, that would be "substantial," especially given that he is now an older prospect.

But again, the main point of the thread is his status as a former 6-yr MLFA. Does it affect his future growth? Does he get penalzed for being a MLFA?
10/13/2009 2:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 10/13/2009Damn. Are you deleting posts
I rewrote my most recent post, as you posted something in between. Mine no longer followed your train of thought, such as it is.
10/13/2009 2:07 PM
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BTW, I never said this guy had "great potential." I said he had a chance to be a solid major leaguer.
10/13/2009 2:09 PM
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Responses given:

a) players with great potential don't toil in AA for 6 seasons (factually incorrect for this player)

b) players don't improve after four (or three seasons). (incorrect with this player, as he improved in his fifth and sixth seasons).

Main point of the thread is his status as a former 6-yr MLFA. Does it affect his future growth? Does he get penalzed for being a MLFA?
10/13/2009 2:10 PM
MikeT23
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 10/13/2009
We've tried to answer your question(s).

Improvement slows "substantially" after 3-4 seasons.

Players with "great potential" don't become 6-year minor league FA.

What else do you want?

10/13/2009 2:18 PM
sanderbear
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Responses given:

a) players with great potential don't toil in AA for 6 seasons (factually incorrect for this player)

b) players don't improve "substantially" after four (or three seasons). (incorrect with this player, as he improved in his fifth and sixth seasons).

Main point of the thread is his status as a former 6-yr MLFA. Does it affect his future growth? Does he get penalzed for being a MLFA?
10/13/2009 2:37 PM
MikeT23
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His status as a 6-year pro affects his future growth. He gets penalized for being an older player in a game where older players stop developing.
10/13/2009 2:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 10/13/2009Original question: I'm wondering whether the fact that he was a 6-yr MLFA dampens his potential for hitting his ratings ceiling.
You have to be kidding.

Are you seriously asking if being a 6-yr. FA hurt his feelings, and truncated his development????
10/13/2009 2:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 10/13/2009

Responses given:

a) players with great potential don't toil in AA for 6 seasons (factually incorrect for this player)

b) players don't improve after four (or three seasons). (incorrect with this player, as he improved in his fifth and sixth seasons).

Main point of the thread is his status as a former 6-yr MLFA. Does it affect his future growth? Does he get penalzed for being a MLFA?

b) No one said that... I sure as hell didn't.

As for the original question, it's idiotic, so maybe that's why no one addressed it specifically. Are you implying that perhaps WIS plants some mysterious 6-year threshold in the ratings program only for players that are MiL FAs? Of course not. The worthwhile part of the question is what, if any, improvement might be found after six pro seasons... and that was the issue addressed from the top.
10/13/2009 2:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 10/13/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 10/13/2009
Original question: I'm wondering whether the fact that he was a 6-yr MLFA dampens his potential for hitting his ratings ceiling.
You have to be kidding.

Are you seriously asking if being a 6-yr. FA hurt his feelings, and truncated his development????

Well put.
10/13/2009 2:55 PM
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It is possible that the game has something built in that says that if a player becomes a 6-yr MLFA that he will suffer.

Have you ever noticed the ratings for a player who is exposed to waivers multiple times? You have a guy out of options who is put on waivers, claimed, then put on waivers by the new team (also trying to get him to AAA). I've seen times when such a player's ratings take a hit, even though he hasn't actually been demoted.

I wasn't asking if being a 6-year MLFA "hurt his feelings." I was asking if it made a difference in a player's ability to have ratings growth.
10/13/2009 9:58 PM
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