Quote: Originally posted by thewizard2 on 12/27/2009Here is my question. Agreed with just about everything here.

However, if the players aren't working harder to get open. It's not a fastbreak offense. Assuming everything else is equal, why does the uptempo team need more conditioning or why do they tire faster? Should they? If fact it's the other team that's spending more time on offense.

Because they will be having more possessions, that is why. It has already been stated in here.

But the other team has to get the same amount of possessions. Correct?

And that matters why?

Team A runs uptempo, they get 60 shots off during the game. Team B runs slowdown, however they also have to get 60 shots off, assuming everything else is equal.

Why would Team A need more conditioning if they both get the same # of possessions. The only difference is Team B is on offense longer.

If this is the case, in an uptempo you would have to work harder to get open, correct?

Quote: Originally posted by Weena on 12/27/2009"More conditioning" is necessary because by taking quicker shots the teams are running up and down the court more frequently.

Interesting you said the teams. Why would one team get more tired than the other?

First flaw in your thinking is that both teams would very likely not get the same amount of shots off (also a possession is not just when a team gets a shot off, there are many other types of possessions). Second, what you have brought to the table says that a team that is going to play uptempo needs to have greater conditioning in general, never does it state that in the same game a team running uptempo will have to have a greater conditioning then a team (in the same game) running slowdown.

Sorry, I was a bit confused by your last post, but I'll respond anyways.

I didn't say that conditioning was a factor, but it's in the HD FAQ's.

Q: How does tempo affect the game?
A: The tempo refers to the speed at which you want your offense to run. The faster the tempo, the quicker you'll be shooting and the more conditioning your players will require.

You said the players don't work harder in the offensive set.

Why is one team getting more tired than the other? Whether it's running slow mo or up tempo both teams have to get the same number of shots. Again, everything else is equal. I understand a possession can also end in a turnover.

It never says that one team will get more tired then the other in a given game, it merely states that if you are going to run uptempo you need to have better conditioning then if you are going to run normal or slow tempo.

Then why does it say " the faster the tempo, the quicker you'll be shooting and the more conditioning your players will require.

Why is more conditioning required then? Speed isn't a factor. Getting open isn't a factor. You aren't running the FB. You aren't getting more shots than the other team.

That question has been answered numerous times. It is because there are more possessions that they require more conditioning, ie going up and down the floor more.

And once again you are misreading that quote that you somehow believes proves us all wrong, it does not say "In a game where one team is playing normal and the other team is playing uptempo the team that is playing uptempo will need more conditioning"

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I'm really not trying to drive you nuts, but it's 4 way logic, I'm trying to start on points 1, 2 and 3 and we agree. But once it gets to 4, you aren't going back to #1 to see the connection that I'm trying to make.

I'm tired anyways, let's just agree to disagree. Have a good holiday.

You can think whatever you want but you are not right, tempo in no way dictates how fast your players are playing, to use tempo in that matter is misguided at best. You too.

wiz, first of all, the HD FAQ is not particularly useful or accurate in a lot of areas.

More conditioning is required because HD is set up so that players get more tired with a higher # of possessions. They don't get tired based on how fast or slow they run up the court, they get tired based on # of possessions. And an uptempo offense where your team generally shoots early in the shot clock is going to generate more possessions.

dalter, what you said makes 100% sense. Hypothetically:

Team A gets 45 shots off, running slow down.
Team A gets 60 shots off, running average tempo.
Team A gets 75 shots off, running uptempo.

You said players get more tired with a higher # of possessions. But keep in mind, the other team also has to get the same number of possessions, despite what tempo they're playing.

So if Team A is running uptempo, they get 75 shots off, then assuming everything is equal Team B also has to get 75 shots off. But according to what you're saying Team A is getting more tired than Team B, because they are running uptempo.