Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 12/31/2009
Ok, voice o reason here. Let's say that it was a 2/3 grade, and that was worth about 66% bonus.

Colgate got a start, 20 min, 4sv, 24 hv.

Yale put in say start, 20 min, 3 sv, 14 hv.

Say 20 min is worth 2 home visits and a start is worth 3, I have no idea, but this seems plausible.

Colgate is up to 4sv, 29hv.

Yale is at 3sv, 19 hv.

Multiply Yale by 1.66 and you get 5 scouting trips and 31.54. So Colgate loses.

Even if the factor is 50%, which also seems possible, then Yale has 4.5 sv and 28.5hv, which is just about exactly equal and timing would have a large effect.

So what is the problem? 2/3rd a grade is worth 50%? Seems possible and certainly not broken. I have always thought a full grade is worth around double or at least 75% bonus.

And don't forget to add in that yale offered the kid a start and 20 mins, which would eb worth more then colgates start and 20 minutes, giving yet another edge to yale.

dildo, i mean dalter - let it go.

max - thanks for asking pertinent questions instead of jerking my chain. I'm still trying to figure this game out - but, like NASCAR, there is no one place to see all of the rules (and nuances) that explain why this or that happens.

Why can't they fully explain this game - RPI, Top 20 rankings, recruiting differences. It's like getting the keys to a car but not knowing what a car is or what it's supposed to do.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009dildo, i mean dalter - let it go.

max - thanks for asking pertinent questions instead of jerking my chain. I'm still trying to figure this game out - but, like NASCAR, there is no one place to see all of the rules (and nuances) that explain why this or that happens.

Why can't they fully explain this game - RPI, Top 20 rankings, recruiting differences. It's like getting the keys to a car but not knowing what a car is or what it's supposed to do

You are welcome from me and dalt for our informative responses.

For the record, Yale is a C and Colgate is a C-. Look it up. 1/3 letter grade. Not 2/3.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009dildo, i mean dalter - let it go.

max - thanks for asking pertinent questions instead of jerking my chain. I'm still trying to figure this game out - but, like NASCAR, there is no one place to see all of the rules (and nuances) that explain why this or that happens.

Why can't they fully explain this game - RPI, Top 20 rankings, recruiting differences. It's like getting the keys to a car but not knowing what a car is or what it's supposed to do

You know what? I think random name calling is helping to make you look more mature. Well played.

First of all, Z and I tried to give you the same explanation earlier, you didn't want to hear it, said you wanted to take your ball and go home.

Beyond that, I do agree there are certain areas where WIS could give more info. But the type of spoon feeding you want is not desirable. Part of the skill and fun of this game is figuring things out. Spoon feeding you recruiting differences (i.e. "it takes exactly this much more for a B to beat an A-") would be dumbing things down to the point of insanity and totally undesirable.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009
For the record, Yale is a C and Colgate is a C-. Look it up. 1/3 letter grade. Not 2/3.

High C to low C-? that'd bea lmost 2/3 - you are the one who first said 2/3.

I saw that, but someone on here, I think it was CS response said Yale was almost a C+. And Colgate's C- is on the basis of 2 conf championships, 2 PT berths and RPIs of 66, 176, 78, 196 in the last 4 years, which doesn't sound very much above D+ level to me.

Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 12/31/2009I saw that, but someone on here, I think it was CS response said Yale was almost a C+. And Colgate's C- is on the basis of 2 conf championships, 2 PT berths and RPIs of 66, 176, 78, 196 in the last 4 years, which doesn't sound very much above D+ level to me

I agree with that 100%, hence why I would use 2/3 over 1/3 in my calculations.

I'd stay away from dalter's sheep If I were you, his intensity starts at home. I don't know for sure but I bet there's other sheep in Montana not quite as good as his, of course, but accepable. You're free, as a proud American, to do what you think is right. Good luck in this and all your future endeavors and Happy New Year.

spoon feeding?!

I'm paying to play a game - rules are supposed to be provided. Nuances are to be explained beyond 'that's just the way it is'.

If I ask customer support a question and they just blow smoke - and other coaches blindly swallow it - how does it equate to spoon feeding, when I say - 'that makes no sense, please explain.'

Let them earn their money.....what, $10-12 per season X how many saps playing this game?

Yes, it's an interesting game - but it has more than it's share of flaws.

The End.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009spoon feeding?!

I'm paying to play a game - rules are supposed to be provided. Nuances are to be explained beyond 'that's just the way it is'.

If I ask customer support a question and they just blow smoke - and other coaches blindly swallow it - how does it equate to spoon feeding, when I say - 'that makes no sense, please explain.'

Let them earn their money.....what, $10-12 per season X how many saps playing this game?

Yes, it's an interesting game - but it has more than it's share of flaws.

The End

Rules are provided.

ok, one more...if there are 'Very High" and 'Very Low' letter grades - why bother? Just use numbers like every other feature of this game (remember school - letter grades actually correlated to grade scores - numbers).

Say, Yale is a Very High C (80) and Colgate is a Very Low C- (70)...then just say so. Less chance of HD blowing smoke, less chance of someone going off because they were advised of the major differences when recruiting.

Once again - The End. Part Deux.

craze - do you recall whether you or yale were the leader for some or all?

on rules - the way that I think about it is that there are rules - the essential boundaries of the game - those are published - but then there is the innerds of the game engine - how deep to go in disclosing that is a tough question

IF they handed out the code some - not me - would be able to convert this into an exercise in programming analysis. In dev chats and on forums, WIS has gone to some lengths but not all the way to the code to describe how the engines work - I mean the game engine, the recruiting engine, etc etc

It is simply a fact that some of it is to users to discover - or share discoveries (and alleged discoveries) in forums

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009ok, one more...if there are 'Very High" and 'Very Low' letter grades - why bother? Just use numbers like every other feature of this game (remember school - letter grades actually correlated to grade scores - numbers).

Say, Yale is a Very High C (80) and Colgate is a Very Low C- (70)...then just say so. Less chance of HD blowing smoke, less chance of someone going off because they were advised of the major differences when recruiting.

Once again - The End. Part Deux

Because spoon feeding would make it pointless. Why play the games if everything was spelled out? Why not just give the title to the best overall ranked team? What is the point of a game if everything is written out black and white?

Ok, hopefully the third time is the charm...

have there ever been updates to the rules?
or have they been there forever - engraved in stone?

And when the rules are updated - it's been because something was sooo screwed up, they figured it was cheaper to fix it than continue to lose paying customers.

If enough of us demand a better product, it will be provided - eventually...or they will be out of business.