Quote: Originally Posted By blackdog3377 on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 1/14/201
Pull downs and drop downs are another reason to go with a D1 only world as well.

As far as your Queens team goes, you basically inherited a pimp team with a B prestige that has done very well in the past...my team is a C prestige and the 2 "pull downs" I went after both told me to go eff myself. I've got to build my prestige up a bit before I tread the murky, muddy waters of the D1/D2 hybrid recruit.

Lastly, go buy an EA Sports game, because you can't see who is doing what from a recruiting standpoint...you have NO IDEA how the sims are recruiting in EA, none. I can't stand when people talk about **** that they know nothing about. Just because I said after recruiting is over, we should be able to see who spent what on whom, you take that as I want to see everything throughout the recruiting process...not true.

Kinda like you and HD? Pardon? It seems pretty arrogant for you to come and say that you want it changed because it doesnt work well for you. I never said that I wanted it changed, what I did say though is that I'll work with HD recruiting however it is, just that it can be shored up in certain places as well. I was comparing the 2 styles while suggesting changes/improvements to HD. It seems to have worked well for most people for years. If you cut the cycles that would have a HUGE impact on D1 recruiting. Maybe D2/D3 you can have players locked up by the end of the first day but no way is that going to happen in D1. 40 or high 30 recruiting cycles are quite excessive if you ask me.

Also if you have a D1 only world how are you going to decide who gets what team? First come first serve basis? Yep, that's how all worlds filled previously Lottery? Only start a couple coaches at the worst teams and then cycle through when they move up

Quote: Originally Posted By wfudd on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/14/2010
Are you kidding me and my friend used to sit up all night playing NCAA Football since the Playstation days and just simming games and recruiting. We would get through about 15-20 seasons every week or two and start over every night we would hang out.

So don't tell me I dont know what I am talking about. If you couldn't predict what it took to steal guys away from the SIM or who they were going after then you were not paying attention very well. When my friend would recruit I could see exactly what he was doing as well. Anyways thats way off topic I guess.

Also, its like the Madden Trade engine its getting better and I don't try as hard to beat it, but I used to be able to trade just draft picks to get 4-5 #1 draft picks by just trading my basic 1-7 draft picks.



are you my friend?? holy crap, i didn't know anyone else did this. my best friend and i back in the day (and occasionally when we see each other now) would simulate and recruit only. we never played the actual games!

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/14/2010
I'm more than willing to work with recruiting as is, but I would still like to see cycles cut....maybe 4 a day...8 is just way too many imo and eliminate the non-signing recruit period by a day, or altogether. From what I gather, my recruits have been ready to sign with me since day 1. I'm guessing WIS has this in there to ensure a bit of competitive balance (everyone has ample opportunity to recruit before signings begin) but if you're not geared up to recruit and or you can't make it on time, etc, then thems the breaks and you probably shouldn't be playing this game to begin with.

Also, I'd like to see WIS add all D1 worlds as well in the future, but that's another can of worms completely.

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/14/2010

I'm more than willing to work with recruiting as is, but I would still like to see cycles cut....maybe 4 a day...8 is just way too many imo and eliminate the non-signing recruit period by a day, or altogether. From what I gather, my recruits have been ready to sign with me since day 1. I'm guessing WIS has this in there to ensure a bit of competitive balance (everyone has ample opportunity to recruit before signings begin) but if you're not geared up to recruit and or you can't make it on time, etc, then thems the breaks and you probably shouldn't be playing this game to begin with.

Also, I'd like to see WIS add all D1 worlds as well in the future, but that's another can of worms completely.

If this statement is true and you are in DII or DIII then I can understand why your overall HD record is so poor. The GOOD DII and DIII coaches/programs typically haven't spent a single $ on day 1 (or day 2 for that matter).

Different phases/days of recrutiing are important at each division level. You should have some experience at all 3 levels to get a proper appreciation of how recruiting should really flow from day 1 to day 5.

Quote: Originally Posted By wfudd on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/14/2010

I'm more than willing to work with recruiting as is, but I would still like to see cycles cut....maybe 4 a day...8 is just way too many imo and eliminate the non-signing recruit period by a day, or altogether. From what I gather, my recruits have been ready to sign with me since day 1. I'm guessing WIS has this in there to ensure a bit of competitive balance (everyone has ample opportunity to recruit before signings begin) but if you're not geared up to recruit and or you can't make it on time, etc, then thems the breaks and you probably shouldn't be playing this game to begin with.

Also, I'd like to see WIS add all D1 worlds as well in the future, but that's another can of worms completely.

If this statement is true and you are in DII or DIII then I can understand why your overall HD record is so poor. The GOOD DII and DIII coaches/programs typically haven't spent a single $ on day 1 (or day 2 for that matter).

Different phases/days of recrutiing are important at each division level. You should have some experience at all 3 levels to get a proper appreciation of how recruiting should really flow from day 1 to day 5.

i haven't played this since season 13 (and wasn't even good then)

so i obviously am doing something wrong because i spend money in the very first cycle. what the heck. so if recruiting started tuesday, i shouldn't have spent a dime until today?

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By wfudd on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/14/2010

I'm more than willing to work with recruiting as is, but I would still like to see cycles cut....maybe 4 a day...8 is just way too many imo and eliminate the non-signing recruit period by a day, or altogether. From what I gather, my recruits have been ready to sign with me since day 1. I'm guessing WIS has this in there to ensure a bit of competitive balance (everyone has ample opportunity to recruit before signings begin) but if you're not geared up to recruit and or you can't make it on time, etc, then thems the breaks and you probably shouldn't be playing this game to begin with.

Also, I'd like to see WIS add all D1 worlds as well in the future, but that's another can of worms completely.

If this statement is true and you are in DII or DIII then I can understand why your overall HD record is so poor. The GOOD DII and DIII coaches/programs typically haven't spent a single $ on day 1 (or day 2 for that matter).

Different phases/days of recrutiing are important at each division level. You should have some experience at all 3 levels to get a proper appreciation of how recruiting should really flow from day 1 to day 5.

i haven't played this since season 13 (and wasn't even good then)

so i obviously am doing something wrong because i spend money in the very first cycle. what the heck. so if recruiting started tuesday, i shouldn't have spent a dime until today?

That's not necessarily true. Mully is right, that lots of people do that, but it's not the only way. I think there is sound reasoning in getting people to consider you early and discouraging a huge battle.

I have been exclusively a D2/D3 coach and have success recruiting early.

Quote: Originally Posted By blackdog3377 on 1/14/2010

Yea theres kind of a big difference between starting at D3 with a lottery where all teams are equal and starting at D1 where all teams are most certainly not equal. WIS could take steps to ensure equality amongst most D1 teams in a D1 only world, especially in season 1 of the thing. I think a lot of us have learned and grown to love the 3 tiered setup of HD (me included) however I'm sure there are a fair amount of people that looked at this game and wanted to coach their favorite team (Syracuse) or alma mater (Oakland-MI) and probably get discouraged after spending $100+ and not being at your "dream job" per se. Name recognition means alot and I think an all D1 world would be at least 90% full all the time.

Why is 40 cycles too excessive? When I had a D1 team I used the full time period to recruit. Some battles can last well past the signing period. Also if you lose a battle or have to back off late the extra time is needed to find a replacement player if you want. 40 is excessive considering that 15 or so happen before you can sign anyone...and cycles update every 3 hours...I know you talked about getting on at the right time and doubling up, but even so HD should be fun, not necessarily addictive. I think 4 a day would be plenty (20 overall) and I would wager that a lot of newbies leave after a season or so because like me, they too cut their teeth on EA recruiting and feel that recruiting here is overwhelming, they don't understand what's going on/how to recruit, etc. I'm getting the hang of it, but I can see how people can fail time and again at this recruiting setup.

As to my point about HD its pretty obvious that you really dont know that much about how it works yet you are many threads suggesting improvements and your opinion about how things should be. The rankings need help, people have conceded it but don't think it should be fixed immediately which is funny to me...almost 6 years after the fact, and that's really what I've griped about. I think hardcore HD guys sometime confuse their opinions with opinions of the masses. I'm not saying that everyone does or should agree with me, I'm saying that they shouldn't just accept your thoughts and opinions because you guys have been here the longest. If you don't think simplifying recruiting would increase business, I think you're insane.