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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010
Nothing did go wrong here, it was a good comeback by a very good team. Against a very good team.
1/17/2010 9:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/17/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010

Nothing did go wrong here, it was a good comeback by a very good team. Against a very good team.
WHy is your bolded statement even relevant?
1/17/2010 9:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/17/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010

Nothing did go wrong here, it was a good comeback by a very good team. Against a very good team.
WHy is your bolded statement even relevant?
Because its a lot more understandable for a good team to house a bad team, but for a good team to house another good team, especially after it just got housed for 20 minutes...come on.
1/17/2010 9:21 PM
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1/17/2010 9:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/17/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/17/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010

Nothing did go wrong here, it was a good comeback by a very good team. Against a very good team.
WHy is your bolded statement even relevant?
Because its a lot more understandable for a good team to house a bad team, but for a good team to house another good team, especially after it just got housed for 20 minutes...come on
WHat, are you arguing that the team that got down by twnety shoudl suddenly get. .depressed. . and lose its ability to perform because of. .emotions ro something, to use yuour arguments?> THat they shoudl suddenly become less capable of putting on a run themselves?
1/17/2010 9:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010ANd someone allready brought up an example earlier. .of course, you conveniently discount any real life examples.  Very conveniently. 

What it basically comes down to is Colonels doesn't want WIS to have anything 'out of the ordinary' happen, and his view of what is out of the ordinary is quite a bit.

In this instance what he fails to understand is many factors that could have changed the outcome of this.

Wentworth Tech played a -4, Hardin-Simmons shot very poorly in the 1st half and finally started hitting their shots in the second.

Hardin-Simmons shot 9 more FTs then Wentworth and made 9 more FTs then them, points with the clock standing still.

Hardin-Simmons dominated the boards in the 2nd half, 26-15, including 11-3 on the offensive end - leading to an 11-1 advantage in 2nd chance points.

Hardin-Simmons had 10 2nd half steals and forced 14 2nd half turnovers, leading to 11 Fastbreak points.

All of these things are what is needed to stage a comeback and that is exactly what Hardin-Simmons did. They played a much better 2nd half and therefore they were able to come out with a win.
1/17/2010 9:24 PM
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colonels, if you were alive back in 1998, did you watch the national tournament? the line of the tourney, if you will, was "The Comeback Cats", referring to the 2 seed University of Kentucky Wildcats, who came back from down ~15 with ~5 minutes in almost every game they played in that tournament, resulting in their eventual national championship.

now, i am no math wiz, but if a team can repeatedly come back from 15 in 5 minutes, isn't coming back from 22 in 20 minutes less than exceptional?

remind me, what was it again you are arguing?
1/17/2010 9:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010
Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010
ANd someone allready brought up an example earlier. .of course, you conveniently discount any real life examples. Very conveniently.



What it basically comes down to is Colonels doesn't want WIS to have anything 'out of the ordinary' happen, and his view of what is out of the ordinary is quite a bit. Another untrue misconstruction of my argument.

In this instance what he fails to understand is many factors that could have changed the outcome of this.

Wentworth Tech played a -4, Hardin-Simmons shot very poorly in the 1st half and finally started hitting their shots in the second.

Hardin-Simmons shot 9 more FTs then Wentworth and made 9 more FTs then them, points with the clock standing still.

Hardin-Simmons dominated the boards in the 2nd half, 26-15, including 11-3 on the offensive end - leading to an 11-1 advantage in 2nd chance points.

Hardin-Simmons had 10 2nd half steals and forced 14 2nd half turnovers, leading to 11 Fastbreak points.

All of these things are what is needed to stage a comeback and that is exactly what Hardin-Simmons did. They played a much better 2nd half and therefore they were able to come out with a win.

This information is all well and good, but the most important fact you're missing is that its virtually the complete opposite of what happened in the first half, and that's why its a problem

1/17/2010 9:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gillispie on 1/17/2010colonels, if you were alive back in 1998, did you watch the national tournament? the line of the tourney, if you will, was "The Comeback Cats", referring to the 2 seed University of Kentucky Wildcats, who came back from down ~15 with ~5 minutes in almost every game they played in that tournament, resulting in their eventual national championship.

now, i am no math wiz, but if a team can repeatedly come back from 15 in 5 minutes, isn't coming back from 22 in 20 minutes less than exceptional?

remind me, what was it again you are arguing


And you're using real life examples to support sim on-goings? Human life is the ultimate bizarre randomizer out there and is more random than any sim engine out there. Extreme real life examples compared to this sim carry 0 weight to me because its complete apples to oranges.
1/17/2010 9:31 PM
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1/17/2010 9:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/17/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010

Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010

ANd someone allready brought up an example earlier. .of course, you conveniently discount any real life examples. Very conveniently.



What it basically comes down to is Colonels doesn't want WIS to have anything 'out of the ordinary' happen, and his view of what is out of the ordinary is quite a bit. Another untrue misconstruction of my argument.

In this instance what he fails to understand is many factors that could have changed the outcome of this.

Wentworth Tech played a -4, Hardin-Simmons shot very poorly in the 1st half and finally started hitting their shots in the second.

Hardin-Simmons shot 9 more FTs then Wentworth and made 9 more FTs then them, points with the clock standing still.

Hardin-Simmons dominated the boards in the 2nd half, 26-15, including 11-3 on the offensive end - leading to an 11-1 advantage in 2nd chance points.

Hardin-Simmons had 10 2nd half steals and forced 14 2nd half turnovers, leading to 11 Fastbreak points.

All of these things are what is needed to stage a comeback and that is exactly what Hardin-Simmons did. They played a much better 2nd half and therefore they were able to come out with a win.

This information is all well and good, but the most important fact you're missing is that its virtually the complete opposite of what happened in the first half, and that's why its a problem


Why is it being viturally the opposite of the first half a problem again? It DOES in fact happen. . oh I forgot. Very conveineintly, real life examples don't count.

1/17/2010 9:31 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 1/17/2010[Why is it being viturally the opposite of the first half a problem again?  It DOES in fact happen. . oh I forgot.  Very conveineintly, real life examples don't count. 

It is more broad then that, anything that doesn't support his thoughts doesn't count.
1/17/2010 9:32 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/17/2010

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it is a problem.

Why should this never happen? Didn't say that You say that comebacks should never happen? Didn't say that Why? Because you don't like them? So maybe we should only play the first half then, since we'd know that nobody was coming back in the 2nd half. If it was proven that this game ran with TRUE randomness (which is 99.99% unlikely) I would willfully and honorably accept a 100-0 result between any 2 teams. If that doesn't tell you what I believe about randomness, I don't know what will.

The fact is a very good team 'came out flat' and 'turned it on' in the 2nd half, what is so wrong with that? It was the exact opposite of what happened in the first half, and in this sim you don't expect your team to "let off the gas" just because they're up huge in the second half. There's an inherent expectation here that the sim should be less random than real life. In real life you could see something like this happening....hey we got this...we're up 22 I don't give 2 ***** who we're playing, coach gets super conservative, starts playing not to lose, etc, etc....I don't expect that in the game and if the game is factoring this kind of stuff, I'm not sure I want to play anymore.
1/17/2010 9:36 PM
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COlonels? PROVE that the game DOESN'T use true randomness. GO on, I'll wait.

1/17/2010 9:38 PM
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