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2/6/2010 9:05 PM
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2/7/2010 12:05 AM
mitchrapp
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Quote: Originally posted by mitchrapp on 2/06/201025 rounds in 25 days. Make it happen.

It's been decided.
2/7/2010 12:20 AM
MikeT23
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It's not a "new" idea.

Neither is splitting the draft up over 2-3 days. I suggested 1st-supplemental, 2-5, 6-25 about 2 years ago. WifS had no interest.
2/7/2010 6:08 AM
nfet
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that doesn't eliminate all future new ideas.
2/7/2010 6:47 AM
tecwrg
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New ideas are always welcome for discussion.

Old ones, being rehashed for the 15th time ("Everybody should be able to see all the top prospects!!!") tend to get annoying.
2/7/2010 6:59 AM
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Yeah but the point of this thread was not "Everybody should be able to see all the top prospects".

The point of this thread was something I hadnt seen in the forums, if you wasted your time re-reading an idea, I apologize.
2/7/2010 7:15 AM
nfet
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cool. i was throw off by the "the draft works fine the way it is now" comment then.

i'm not into research so much. Has the idea of breaking down the scouting budget by position ever come up in any way?
2/7/2010 7:17 AM
usfbully
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/06/2010
Every BL team knows about the top 500 prospects. Tell me who they are without spending any budget money and I'll budget 0/0.

Next.



You get that now. You get names and positions. I think its B/S that I could be 20/20 in scouting and not see a 90-90-90-90-90 hitter. I would rather my 20/20 show every prospect, and possible over/under value someone (fuzzy), then not show everyone and be more accurate.

Especially when it appears to be random who gets to see what. I may have a 17 in h/s, see every h/s prospect there is but 2, and they are the top two prospects. Another guy could have a h/s scouting of 13, only see 70% of the h/s prospects, but sees only the best prospects. How is that logical?
2/7/2010 7:23 AM
MikeT23
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No, it's not like that now. You DON'T see the top 500 prospects. You just said so.

What you should keep in mind is that everyone isn't see the same players as you either. If it makes you feel better, pretend that your scouts didn't like the guys you didn't see. There's your fuzziness.
2/7/2010 7:41 AM
usfbully
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010
No, it's not like that now. You DON'T see the top 500 prospects. You just said so.

What you should keep in mind is that everyone isn't see the same players as you either. If it makes you feel better, pretend that your scouts didn't like the guys you didn't see. There's your fuzziness.

I have never not had 500 guys show up. I may not see any ratings, but I have at least seen 500 players, and their position the sim assigns them.
2/7/2010 7:50 AM
MikeT23
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So it's now your contention that you see every player drafted prior to the draft but some are without ratings?

I know, for a fact, that is not true.
2/7/2010 7:54 AM
usfbully
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010
So it's now your contention that you see every player drafted prior to the draft but some are without ratings?

I know, for a fact, that is not true.

I see 500 guys. (The discussion here). It is unrealistic to expect one team to scout every single prospect in America.

And Yes, I understand my opinion is my opinion. Im not trying to start a revolution and get the game changed. I was voicing my opinion on what prospects you see/dont see. I think its dumb that I could invest more in scouting, and not see the best.

Your argument is if they changed the draft to "fuzzyness" it would be dumb luck. Isnt that the case now? If you dont get the luck of the draw to see the prospect you have now way of drafting him.

2/7/2010 8:08 AM
MikeT23
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The case now is your 1st rounder will be a BL player. Your 2nd rounder should be a BL player. Your 3rd rounder might be a BL player. If you're lucky, you might find some value in the 4th-5th round.

If you have 3rd pick and don't see the first two picks, you weren't getting them anyway but you damn sure should be getting a very good player. If you're drafting first and you don't see picks 2-3, I bet you still got a very good player.

What, exactly, is the problem?
2/7/2010 8:14 AM
usfbully
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/07/2010
The case now is your 1st rounder will be a BL player. Your 2nd rounder should be a BL player. Your 3rd rounder might be a BL player. If you're lucky, you might find some value in the 4th-5th round.

If you have 3rd pick and don't see the first two picks, you weren't getting them anyway but you damn sure should be getting a very good player. If you're drafting first and you don't see picks 2-3, I bet you still got a very good player.

What, exactly, is the problem?

A large portion of the game is based off of ratings, and to an extent the ability to project what future ratings will be. The scouting budget change what you see (I understand some experts like you dont need the adv and can get by without, I personally cant). If the game is supposed to "reward" people who budget more in a certain category, why would it come down to luck?

And, there is a huge difference between a very good player, and a hall of famer.
2/7/2010 8:19 AM
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