we had to recruit uphill.....both ways

Doc, using your proposed system, would you be able to tell how strong a given world(div) was at a given point in time (e.g. season31 of iba-d1)? or periods of time ( e.g. seasons1-10 of tark-d3)?

if it is possible (and I'm thinking it is at least possible as the data is there), do you think you will ever do such a thing? or do you think that its more work than its worth? Seems like it would be tough (not impossible, but tough) to dig such a list out of the data. but maybe not..

If that proves too unmanageable... how hard would it be to count the number of simmys in each world-div, every season, and use that as a very crude measurement of world strength ? (so that it would be easy to compare season03 of ibad3 to season27 of ibaD3)

I know it wouldnt be quite as good as what you propose, but wouldnt that likely give you a decent indicator of world strength in a given season or during a certain time period?

dangit! forgot about the uphilledness!

My vote is #2

Oldave, remember how we had to shovel the coal into the furnace and light the boiler to heat the gym. The worst part was we had to blow up the ball with that old rusty nozzle and our own hot breath.

Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 2/16/2010

Quote: Originally posted by kelby_03 on 2/16/2010
In reference to all-time lists, I actually think that older seasons should count more than than more recent seasons in DII and DIII. I'm not sure what season it was that reward points were reduced and potential introduced but that's when DIII and DII started to become ghost towns. The competition really dropped off. IMO, more weight should be given to teams when a division was the most full and active.

When it comes to DI I think the opposite is true. During the 1st 15-20 seasons of a world DI isn't that full. Then after reward points were reduced DI filled up a little more and got more competitive. I'd give more weight to DI in the past 20 seasons than before.

i agree completely. if this is the issue you feel most strongly about, then make sure to tune in when i come up with a complete heuristic of how i am going to score teams in the world strength part. and how much of an impact world strength will have! i feel like in established, non ghost town divisions, there will probably be decent variation in # of coaches and how long they stay, but that should not make a final 4 in one drastically more valuable than in the other. but early d1 titles will be such outliers, because the world is SO weak, that they really won't be worth much. i imagine because this is a fairly exclusive list, most of those seasons will effectively be thrown out

cool, glad you're thinking the same thing.

If there is a way to go back and look at the history to see how full a world is in any given season that should help determine its strength. Also by checking coaching "experience" (the amount of seasons at the school) during any given season will also help.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 2/16/2010
its kinda interesing that all of the "over-the-hill" coaches want more weigth on early seasons.

next thing you know they'll be telling us they had to type with cardboard on thier fingertips, on an 8088-XP PC, in the snow.

i am in my prime. i was just an early starter.

Quote: Originally posted by oldave on 2/16/2010Doc, using your proposed system, would you be able to tell how strong a given world(div) was at a given point in time (e.g. season31 of iba-d1)? or periods of time ( e.g. seasons1-10 of tark-d3)?if it is possible (and I'm thinking it is at least possible as the data is there), do you think you will ever do such a thing? or do you think that its more work than its worth? Seems like it would be tough (not impossible, but tough) to dig such a list out of the data. but maybe not..If that proves too unmanageable... how hard would it be to count the number of simmys in each world-div, every season, and use that as a very crude measurement of world strength ? (so that it would be easy to compare season03 of ibad3 to season27 of ibaD3)I know it wouldnt be quite as good as what you propose, but wouldnt that likely give you a decent indicator of world strength in a given season or during a certain time period?

the system i am thinking of for world strength is a single season world strength. it would be a sum of the strength of individual teams, where the strength of a team is based purely on the coaching history (human or sim, going back 10 years. changes in human matter too).

so, i would have a figure for the world strength for say season 31 iba d1. i could also do a range presumably, just averaging the values in that range. the data is definitely there to do something like that, i have the coaches for every season for every team in every world parsed and ready to go. i could do a count of sims in a world very quickly, but more likely, will just do it right.

One time a while back I had to recruit while Janis Joplin was giving me a rimjob.

did she make you feel like you were the only one?

option 2 seems better to me.

someone recently made a post to the effect of most people don't read the forums, only addicts and newbies. seems like its not too far off, either. kind of makes me sad, when i complete this project, it seems like most people ought to know about it! i know i certainly would want to. think CS would be mad if i programmatically site mailed every coach who got their name on one of the lists? i don't think they would be too happy if i site mailed every active coach, but maybe they would tolerate a couple hundred?

i would think they would appreciate your efforts and help you in this endeavor however they could.

I think a lot more people are interested than you think. I've been following this thread but not posting. I don't know if there are tons of others, but I know I am interested in seeing the final product of this project.

I'm with the option 2 group.

Quote: Originally posted by serb0649 on 2/17/2010I think a lot more people are interested than you think. I've been following this thread but not posting. I don't know if there are tons of others, but I know I am interested in seeing the final product of this project.

well, i think those that read forums will probably stumble along this eventually (if not sooner). but what about those who don't check the forums?