jimmy like corn flakes. fred like frosted flakes. they should both still get the decoder ring at the bottom of the box.

yea, frosted flakes are an updated version of corn flakes with some better options...

but dont take away jimmy's prize just cuz he likes regular old corn flakes! thats just mean doomey

Hey, it's just an opinion, one I'm certain those who are in D3 don't embrace. I'm just looking it more pragmaticly. Value:reward type of thing.

And for the record, not the greatest analogy. EVERYONE gets the prize in your corn flake analogy, you don't even have to eat the cereal to get it. It's not so much of a prize, as a bonus for buying the cereal.

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 3/02/2010So? What point does that make? None. People choose not to play the full version of the game, they shouldn't expect full rewards. Simple as that. Isn't any reflection on talent, it's inherient to the game that D1 is more difficult and more complex. It isn't the same game.

how is div II not the full version? Its all the same. Same 12 players, same amount of games, same rankings, same recruiting tools.

No draft, smaller pool of experienced coaches, pull downs. And they cannot utilize the tools to their fullest extent. Not that you don't already know this...

someone is either deluded, feeling self-important, or both.

I think anyone who thinks it's easy to compete at a high level at D3 should join Wooden D3. That's the only D3 I play, and I have fonud D2 MUCH easier and I'm fairly confident D1 will only be only slightly more difficult, if at all.

I would just like to see any of the people who rail against D3 to take us Wooden D3ers up on that challenge that has been issued multiple times.

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 3/02/2010No draft, smaller pool of experienced coaches, pull downs. And they cannot utilize the tools to their fullest extent. Not that you don't already know this...

Yes, there is still a draft. Div III players have been drafted, and several in div II as well. Pull downs/drop downs exist in all divisions. Idk what you mean by the tools to there fullest extent. The game is still the game no matter where you play it. The NT (Where reward points are earned) have just as much tough coaches at all levels.

Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 3/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 3/02/2010 No draft, smaller pool of experienced coaches, pull downs. And they cannot utilize the tools to their fullest extent. Not that you don't already know this...


Yes, there is still a draft. Div III players have been drafted, and several in div II as well. Pull downs/drop downs exist in all divisions. Idk what you mean by the tools to there fullest extent. The game is still the game no matter where you play it. The NT (Where reward points are earned) have just as much tough coaches at all levels

Oh come on, now. To say that the lower divisions are in any way shape or form dealing with the draft like D1 is rediculous. Have there been players drafted? Of course. Is it anywhere near the realm of D1? Not even close. And they were not EE's.

Tools to the fullest, is pretty self-explanitory. What use is a psych eval to a strapped D2/3 coach? Some of the tools just cannot be utilized as fully in the lower divisions. Something you know.

Dropdowns do exist for lower teams, we are talking about upper tier teams in each division, the deep run guys who, in D1 do not have dropdowns as they see everyone and compete for those recruits on a much differant level.

It is a bit disingenous to ask these questions when you know that there is an expressable differance in the divisions.

Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 3/02/2010someone is either deluded, feeling self-important, or both

? I don't know how noting the differances is delusion, VD. And I don't feel I'm self-important in pointing this out. There is a smaller pool of top coaches at the lower divisions who are continually in the mix, to think that this will benefit anyone but them is what is dillusional. What is also dillusional is arguing that the divisions offer the same challenges, or that those challenges are in any way equal. That isn't self-importance, it is just a fact of the game.

I have nothing against those who stay in D3, I respect most of them greatly and it poses its own unique set of challenges, but to argue that D1 coaches don't face those same challenges and more is ignoring the obvious. And to have this arguement with a coach who knows the differance is odd at best.

The differances are inherent, but the conclusion is my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree, especially those that will benefit from the change.

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i'd like to encourage doomey to invest in spell-check

Doomey, if they aren't the same game, with the same rewards...then I assume you would have no problem if they didn't cost the same to play?

Quote: Originally posted by abitaamber on 3/02/2010Doomey, if they aren't the same game, with the same rewards...then I assume you would have no problem if they didn't cost the same to play?

amen

And I'd encourage you to stick to the point. You didn't use a period or capitalize I'd, so what.

furry, it is hard for me to discuss this issue with you since you admittedly don't know firsthand about D1. You say where rewards are earned is in the NT. If you are going to tell me you think you have the same number of veteran/experienced coaches in the lower divisions to challenge for those spots, I'd argue that. If you think a D1 pulling your 156th rated guy from you equates to trying to vie for the top guy at a position, I'll argue that as well. FSS is an exact example of a feature that isn't fully utilized in the lower divisions that makes D1 more difficult since everyone is working on the same info now with potential.