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So you should be more careful with marginal BL players?

That said, I'd dispute his status as a marginal BL player before the demotion.
3/2/2010 6:15 PM
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Many people would...truthfully, I don't care cause I had other cheap players who had different attributes but were equally crappy at 2B. It was worth it cause I needed an extra arm to give my fatigued ML pitchers some rest.

But if that hit happened to a decent player, he wouldn't be quite as decent anymore. Which is why I am more careful with the legit BL'ers, even if they are overpaid.
3/2/2010 6:29 PM
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I would like to move recently acquired Denny Benes to whoever will pay him, but I'm sure as hell not gonna send him to AAA and risk a demotion penalty.

This partially stems from the fact that I don't have 6 better RP's than him.
3/2/2010 6:32 PM
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Wouldn't bother me. Other than the fact that I'm paying a relief pitcher 8.6m to pitch in AAA.
3/2/2010 6:43 PM
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This thread started in one direction then veered off onto another, and I'm going to take it in yet another direction all together if anybody wants to listen to me whine....

Aren't quite a few demotion penalties unnecessary and unrealistic? I can understand a 30 year old who gets sent back to the minors for the first time in 8 seasons, but a 22-24 year old who makes the team out of spring training and it doesn't work out, could go back to AAA after 40 games and you'd want to think that cup of coffee was good for his psyche, not bad.

I don't know... maybe there shouldn't be a demotion penalty for EVERY player....???
3/2/2010 10:15 PM
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Here are a couple realistic examples of what I'm talking about:

1) Say you have a stretch of several extra inning games in a short period of time. None of your pitchers are injured, but several are 0(20) or worse. Your next off day is in 6 days. Many MLB teams would send down a position player and call up an extra Long Reliever for 6-12 days until the staff recovers. You can't do this in HBD because your guy will lose ratings.

2) You've got a series coming up against a team that leads the league in steals. Wouldn't be awesome if you could go to your AA team and call up a career minor league catcher (terrible hitting ratings) with 84 AS, 80 AA, and 80 PC just for a defensive replacement and possibly start one game? I'd love to be able to do that, and I wouldn't care if this catcher lost ratings once I demoted after I didn't need him, but the other player on my roster that I'd have to demote when I make the promotion will lose points, and I might care about him.

Maybe there should be a special transaction type on the roster management page for a 10-day "trial." You demote one player and promote another in the same transaction cycle and after 10 HBD days the trans automatically reverses itself and neither player suffers a demotion penalty. Of course, there would have to be measures taken to prevent abuse of this.
3/2/2010 10:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010Also, and it's nothing but a suspicsion, I think WifS has dialed back demotion penalties. Or I've been very fortunate. The last half dozen or so I've done did not trigger a hit


Judging from this statement, EVERY player doesn't get a demotion penalty.
3/3/2010 4:04 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jimmystick on 3/02/2010Here are a couple realistic examples of what I'm talking about:

1) Say you have a stretch of several extra inning games in a short period of time. None of your pitchers are injured, but several are 0(20) or worse. Your next off day is in 6 days. Many MLB teams would send down a position player and call up an extra Long Reliever for 6-12 days until the staff recovers. You can't do this in HBD because your guy will lose ratings.

2) You've got a series coming up against a team that leads the league in steals. Wouldn't be awesome if you could go to your AA team and call up a career minor league catcher (terrible hitting ratings) with 84 AS, 80 AA, and 80 PC just for a defensive replacement and possibly start one game? I'd love to be able to do that, and I wouldn't care if this catcher lost ratings once I demoted after I didn't need him, but the other player on my roster that I'd have to demote when I make the promotion will lose points, and I might care about him.

Maybe there should be a special transaction type on the roster management page for a 10-day "trial." You demote one player and promote another in the same transaction cycle and after 10 HBD days the trans automatically reverses itself and neither player suffers a demotion penalty. Of course, there would have to be measures taken to prevent abuse of this


What you're asking for is a 28 man roster. Not very realistic, is it?
3/3/2010 4:06 AM
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The roster size doesn't increase if you have to send somebody down.
3/3/2010 7:29 AM
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No but you want to bring guys up and send guys down without repercussions. Essentially you're asking for a BL inactive list. Not very realistic, is it?
3/3/2010 8:43 AM
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Considering it happens frequently in REAL LIFE....
3/3/2010 9:11 AM
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Sure it does. But there's a cost to doing it. BL teams pay money(and who really knows if guys who are bounced up/down are damaged?) and we pay with a rating point or two.

Seems like a decent trade-off.
3/3/2010 9:13 AM
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1) Maybe I'm missing something... what do you mean BL teams pay money? If you're talking about salary increases because of the promotion that is in HBD too.

2) I think it's definitely possible that real life players suffer a temporary letdown after being demoted. But in special situations, it probably only does a player good. "We really only need you on the big club for a week or 10 days and then we're going to put you back down to AAA, but of all the players we could call up, you're our guy so make sure you're ready for a callup at any time this season."

I just feel like, these are professional athletes. Any "demotion penalty" should only be VERY short term, and if its not, it's probably a good idea to explore other new career paths.
3/3/2010 12:00 PM
MikeT23
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Travel costs, lodging, etc, etc.

Nonetheless, what you asked is exactly why there needs to be a chance of a penalty(because it doesn't always happen). You have a 25 man roster. Sending a 2B down to rest because he's at 98% shouldn't be a freebie. Sending three relievers down because they're 0(0) shouldn't be a freebie. You should have planned for these things when you set your roster.

Again, you're asking that your 40 man roster be your BL roster. Which, essentially, it is. You just run the risk of a penalty when you start bouncing players back and forth.

And, by the way, these are little, fake players. They are not professional athletes. WifS has simply devised a way to discourage owners from rotating players off/on the BL roster.
3/3/2010 12:07 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/03/2010Travel costs, lodging, etc, etc.Nonetheless, what you asked is exactly why there needs to be a chance of a penalty(because it doesn't always happen).   You have a 25 man roster.   Sending a 2B down to rest because he's at 98% shouldn't be a freebie.  Sending three relievers down because they're 0(0) shouldn't be a freebie.  You should have planned for these things when you set your roster. Again, you're asking that your 40 man roster be your BL roster.   Which, essentially, it is.  You just run the risk of a penalty when you start bouncing players back and forth.  And, by the way, these are little, fake players.   They are not professional athletes.  WifS has simply devised a way to discourage owners from rotating players off/on the BL roster.

HBD teams would probably pay more for this maneuver than teams in RL

when a guy is promoted in HBD his salary jumps to the league minimum (327K) for the remainder of the season

not so in real life, a player is paid ML salary while on the big club and minor league salary while in the minors...
3/3/2010 12:16 PM
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