Quote: Originally Posted By cburton23 on 3/04/2010
Z- This was your post in a different thread-

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Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 3/03/2010
And IF the population is substanativly increased due to the restored incentive, then it will have been the right move.

IF it adds 1 more coach it was the right move. "

So why is FreeHD different?

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/04/2010

My take (for what it's worth): short term promotion with a set cut-off date is okay. To let it drag on and on and on is just asking for problems.

The reality is, there are still going to be coaches (and probably more than we care to think) who are gonna create bogus ID's to scout for their real teams. It's gonna happen, like it or not. When the first version of Free HD came around, the thought of creating an alternate ID to scout for my teams never crossed my mind, but then I heard of people doing it and I have to admit, it was certainly VERY tempting. In the end, I didn't do it though, because I like to think that I don't have to stoop to that level to be successful. And in case that came out as ambiguous, yes, I'm calling those coaches cheaters who obviously have no integrity. If you have to cheat to try to win at an online basketball game, you may want to step back and re-evaluate what your standards in the real world are.

We're gonna have coaches who create an alternate ID, and use the Free HD team to try outrageous strategies that they wouldn't dare try with their real teams. It's gonna happen, like it or not. Hell, we've had coaches who actually had the guts to come on here and admit that.

I don't what the solution is to stop coaches from scouting for their real teams. You can't really make them pay for another season, because then you're locking them into a game that they just might not like. HD is addictive, yes, but some people try it and just find that it's not for them. And if you prohibit a Free HD team from using FSS, you might be barring a REAL new coach from playing the full version of the D3 game, at which point he may become irritated and not want to play another season.

Sorry this was so long and drawn out.......

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/04/2010
I do think a combination of the two (Free HD team followed by a reduced rate for a five pack) would probably be an excellent idea. I've got to braid up with the rest of the sheep on this one Zack. I'm not so sure that offering the discounted rate without allowing coaches to test the product for a season is the best idea.

Give 'em a little taste of the crack rock for free, hook 'em on it, then start taking their money, cheaply at first (the discounted five pack), then full price later when they're totally addicted. :^)



Do i have to keep saying I agree!!! I posted this on the test site earlier as well.

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/04/2010

My take (for what it's worth): short term promotion with a set cut-off date is okay. To let it drag on and on and on is just asking for problems.

The reality is, there are still going to be coaches (and probably more than we care to think) who are gonna create bogus ID's to scout for their real teams. It's gonna happen, like it or not. When the first version of Free HD came around, the thought of creating an alternate ID to scout for my teams never crossed my mind, but then I heard of people doing it and I have to admit, it was certainly VERY tempting. In the end, I didn't do it though, because I like to think that I don't have to stoop to that level to be successful. And in case that came out as ambiguous, yes, I'm calling those coaches cheaters who obviously have no integrity. If you have to cheat to try to win at an online basketball game, you may want to step back and re-evaluate what your standards in the real world are.

We're gonna have coaches who create an alternate ID, and use the Free HD team to try outrageous strategies that they wouldn't dare try with their real teams. It's gonna happen, like it or not. Hell, we've had coaches who actually had the guts to come on here and admit that.

I don't what the solution is to stop coaches from scouting for their real teams. You can't really make them pay for another season, because then you're locking them into a game that they just might not like. HD is addictive, yes, but some people try it and just find that it's not for them. And if you prohibit a Free HD team from using FSS, you might be barring a REAL new coach from playing the full version of the D3 game, at which point he may become irritated and not want to play another season.

Sorry this was so long and drawn out.......

Call me naive, but how many people you think actually did this? 5-10? Yes, its cheating but the advantage gained is minimal, Im sorry but it really is. Also, I think so long as its short term, the long term benefit of new coaches gained is well worth it.


A. That's not exactly cheating, the cheating part is referring to the scouting for their real teams.

B. And if you think only 5 or 10 people did this, then yes MMT, I'm gonna have to call you naive on this one.

C. You've got me confused on the bolded part, not sure how it applies to the statement of mine that you bolded. Could you clarify? Thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/04/2010mmt 16% of coaches bought 1 more season, I don't think that speaks too loudly to the 'success of FreeHD'.

Point 2) I agree the best option is likely a combined option of the two, fine I will conceed that, I just do not want to see a ghost ship of d3, that only continues to set the game up for failure in the future. And a discountd 5 pack is one million times different then a discounted season, you can't even begin to compare those two mmt, the difference is huge

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/04/2010
mmt 16% of coaches bought 1 more season, I don't think that speaks too loudly to the 'success of FreeHD'.

Point 2) I agree the best option is likely a combined option of the two, fine I will conceed that, I just do not want to see a ghost ship of d3, that only continues to set the game up for failure in the future. And a discountd 5 pack is one million times different then a discounted season, you can't even begin to compare those two mmt, the difference is huge.

Didnt see this. I assume you got that 16% from WIS? If that number is accurate Im even more for FreeHD than I thought I was before. 16% retention is awsome. And Im not saying your reduced 5-pack plan isnt something to be looked at, but as others have said gotta get them in the door first and people arent laying out 20-25 dollars for a product they've never tried

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/04/2010Yeah Z, keep saying it until youre blue in the face!!

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 3/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/04/2010
mmt 16% of coaches bought 1 more season, I don't think that speaks too loudly to the 'success of FreeHD'.

Point 2) I agree the best option is likely a combined option of the two, fine I will conceed that, I just do not want to see a ghost ship of d3, that only continues to set the game up for failure in the future. And a discountd 5 pack is one million times different then a discounted season, you can't even begin to compare those two mmt, the difference is huge.

Didnt see this. I assume you got that 16% from WIS? If that number is accurate Im even more for FreeHD than I thought I was before. 16% retention is awsome. And Im not saying your reduced 5-pack plan isnt something to be looked at, but as others have said gotta get them in the door first and people arent laying out 20-25 dollars for a product they've never tried.

mmt, please do not confuse 'buying 1 season' with 'retention