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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/11/2010
Give the players what they want and they'll stay, period - That comment is false. Anyone with half a brain would tell you that. At D2/D3, my comment is basically the case, and opposed to the guys that leave early at D1, that's pretty much the case as well. I was talking more in a transfer context than an Early Entry context, but you also like to act like no recruiting except for D1 matters/exists...which is a bit closed-minded on your part as well.

If there's ZERO recruiting value - Again, also false. While there is 0 direct recruiting value Point proven...you say it, its right....I repeat what you say, its spun to present that somehow what I said was incorrect...ahhh the hilarity., there is very much so an indirect value that is very useful. Fact is, the tool isn't worth its cost, and if it has ZERO recruiting value, you can very easily make the case that its irrelevant. This thread cemented for me to never use personality tests, and I'm sure it has for others as well. At the very least, its 10 times pricier than it should be.

Please tell me right now then, how your comments are correct. I did Prove it to me or else you are wrong. (Since that is how it works in your world) I love how you hate on proof/hard evidence. Yes I probably value it more than others, but I'm a guy that wants/needs to see things for myself. Why would/should I believe someone whose main goal on these boards is to argue with me/anyone about any last thing? I want proof namely from you, because you don't strike me as being too/that intelligent. There are other users that I will take their words for, you're not one of them, and I'd bet that you're not one of them for a lot of people.

3/11/2010 11:38 AM
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3/11/2010 11:41 AM
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Colonels, you haven't ever used it you haven't ever even been at d1, how do you know it isn't worth it? (Correct Answer: I don't)

And coloenls you preach that "I act like only d1 recruiting matters" of course that is all that matters when we are speaking of d1 recruiting.
3/11/2010 12:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jaggedendz on 3/10/2010Does any one ever use this during recruiting? If so, what is this for, and how much effort does this get the recruit to consider you? It always cost a rediculous $1500 and I never use it. It seems like a waste
Zachary, perhaps I missed it, where exactly did jaggedendz say that we were talking about D1 recruiting only?
3/11/2010 12:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/11/2010
Colonels, you haven't ever used it you haven't ever even been at d1, how do you know it isn't worth it? (Correct Answer: I don't) Because it does nothing to help me land the recruit that I want. Its not like personality tests are only available at the D1 level...man, you'd think every once in a while you'd grasp a simple concept or 2.

And coloenls you preach that "I act like only d1 recruiting matters" of course that is all that matters when we are speaking of d1 recruiting.

3/11/2010 12:08 PM
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I cant recall the last time I used them

I think the effects are as described and it has seemed very weak on a cost effectiveness basis

but, maybe I should think again if folks find it helpful
3/11/2010 12:10 PM
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I agree that it isnt cost effective. I also agree it isnt a sure fire way to tell ee's. But I also think theat they are of good use with the right budget and plan. Ive used booster with players who show the right thinkgs in the test and not get caught. I would ask some one with more overall experience(my 5 seaons) with them for the %. Maybe ask lostmyth he will know
3/11/2010 12:21 PM
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I'll post exactly what it does in 40 minutes, then people can see exactly how useless they are. IMHO, Zhawks just wants to argue with colonels and has never used them and just wants to disagree with him saying they are not useless because he is saying they are. He is using this as a chance to say "I'm right, your wrong because I play at div I and you don't." without being able to actually say how they are worth 1,500 dollars.
3/11/2010 12:23 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/11/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By jaggedendz on 3/10/2010
Does any one ever use this during recruiting? If so, what is this for, and how much effort does this get the recruit to consider you? It always cost a rediculous $1500 and I never use it. It seems like a waste.
Zachary, perhaps I missed it, where exactly did jaggedendz say that we were talking about D1 recruiting only
He was not, WE were.

I specifically stated, numerous times, that i was speaking 100% of d1.

You ignored this statement i made, time and time again, so you could continue to argue because it is apparently too hard for you to say "Oh you are right, I haven't recruited in d1 so if this is basically geared 100% to d1 i wouldn't know if it was worth it or not"
3/11/2010 12:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by brianp87 on 3/11/2010I agree that it isnt cost effective. I also agree it isnt a sure fire way to tell ee's.  But I also think theat they are of good use with the right budget and plan.  Ive used booster with players who show the right thinkgs in the test and not get caught.  I would ask some one with more overall experience(my 5 seaons) with them for the %.  Maybe ask lostmyth he will know

I don't see why you think boosters are so good. Although I have only used them 3 times, I never won the battle using them and got caught each time. I saw the coaches effort, and it wasn't much more then me. Unless I missed something, you can only use the 4 or whatever gifts 1 time each. None of them gave me much effort. I didn't play around with them much, but it just seemed like the effort/risk wasn't even worth it. I certainly wouldn't pay 1,500 dollars just to see if they will/won't accept something that doesn't carry as much weight as I'd like it to for the risk. Not to mention even if he accepts it, odds are you'll get caught.
3/11/2010 12:26 PM
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Here is what it says when you buy a personality test:

"Note: The personality test can provide insight into a player's potential behavior with things such as redshirting and leaving early for the NBA. It does NOT help convince a recruit to attend your school.

Are you sure you want to perform the selected actions?"

Now, whose turn is it to throw out the next cheap shot?
3/11/2010 12:29 PM
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furry, did your boosters actually get accepted? If they don't get accepted you get no effort for them.
3/11/2010 12:35 PM
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Yeah as far as I saw. It said gifts and then the amount it cost was 0 or whatever. He responded positive to all of them as well. I was out of money, and could not re-offer them so I just sat and waited. He ended up signing with phil jackson in my conf and then I got put on probation.
3/11/2010 12:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jetsons on 3/11/2010Here is what it says when you buy a personality test:

"Note: The personality test can provide insight into a player's potential behavior with things such as redshirting and leaving early for the NBA. It does NOT help convince a recruit to attend your school.

Are you sure you want to perform the selected actions?"

Now, whose turn is it to throw out the next cheap shot
That shows they themselves are worth nothing. But in high d1 EE's are a major issue. And I think boosters can be used effectivly
3/11/2010 12:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By brianp87 on 3/11/2010I agree that it isnt cost effective. I also agree it isnt a sure fire way to tell ee's. But I also think theat they are of good use with the right budget and plan. Ive used booster with players who show the right thinkgs in the test and not get caught. I would ask some one with more overall experience(my 5 seaons) with them for the %. Maybe ask lostmyth he will kno
I never said that they were cost effective, they can be but they aren't always. If you do get the info that shows said player will be gone after 1-2 years and it is a big time battle it can be good info (lost eluded to this as well in his thread) as you might save a ton of money for 1.5k, seems like a good use in my mind and having it be much cheaper makes it something everyone uses as opposed to a strategy that you need to know when to use. I have no problem with that at all.

I never said it is something I'd do for every recruit, I don't and I won't ever but it does have a purpose that, when needed, can be worth the 1.5 k.
3/11/2010 12:38 PM
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