Quote: Originally Posted By bigpop34 on 4/10/2010hey I just went from a 55 point win to a 3 pt loss for a nice 58 pt swing...
This happens all the time in real life, move along civilian, there's nothing to see here............................................................

Quote: Originally Posted By tkimble on 4/10/2010I don't mind the "getting screwed by the sim" results because it gives me hope that when I'm an underdog I can still win. Also, I'm only in my fifth season, but I've never been "screwed" by the sim. That being said, they are working on a new engine because there are parts of the game that are screwy, but I don't think the better team should win everytime. I don't either, and this is a HUGE misconception about my argument. It doesn't matter that the "better" teams lose sometimes, its the way that they lose sometimes that is a problem. I and others (as mentioned in this thread) have been screwed by the sim and for other players to say that "upsets happen in real life" is a complete insult to the claimants and their arguments. Of course anything can happen in real life, because nothing is more random than real life. To program in a "real life factor" in HD when you have hard ratings is ridiculous, not saying this happens, but people have lauded the "reality" fact in the past. There's always going to be variance, but when said variance doesn't pass the eye/logic test, then you have every right to complain imo.

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Quote: Originally Posted By dahsdebater on 4/09/2010
So you're arguing that they should set the game up so that the team you view as the "better" team in a matchup wins every single time? That doesn't sound like a fun game at all. Especially for everyone else who isn't god.

Not at all, and these are the extreme viewpoints that others have brought up to combat me as well. My point is, is that not everything is/should be justified by real life because this game should be less random than real life because it works with hard, concrete numbers, devoid of human emotion. Normal randomness and a good engine will run the game correctly and will provide the correct amount of variance. Every time someone gets an extremely bizarre result, all I see are people defending the game, and not defending the guy that got screwed. A lot of you guys are HD slappies, flat out, and again if you don't understand how/why the game should be different than RL, then we're done here....I'd rather not waste my time on ignorant folks


There are a lot of things that Colonels posts that I don't agree with, but I think he's on the money here.

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Quote: Originally Posted By tkimble on 4/10/2010

It doesn't matter that the "better" teams lose sometimes, its the way that they lose sometimes that is a problem.

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Quote: Originally Posted By tkimble on 4/10/2010

It doesn't matter that the "better" teams lose sometimes, its the way that they lose sometimes that is a problem.

This is why I don't understand your argument colonels19, which way do you think the better team should lose sometimes? You admit that its OK for the better team to lose. Tell me how

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/08/2010I hate when people try to justify these instances/anomalies....just admit that stuff like this isn't supposed to happen




Take a statistics class.

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Quote: Originally Posted By tkimble on 4/10/2010

It doesn't matter that the "better" teams lose sometimes, its the way that they lose sometimes that is a problem.

This is why I don't understand your argument colonels19, which way do you think the better team should lose sometimes? You admit that its OK for the better team to lose. Tell me how
Quite simply, the game in question has to pass the eye/logic test. I've only griped about 2 or 3 instances in my 4 seasons back thus I'm only griping when stuff just can't be justified by sensible logic. The game in question applies here as well.

The higher the point swing between games is usually a good determinant to see/figure if the sim "ran correctly" or not...if you start getting into the 40s and 50s and no adjustments were made, your location gets more favorable (win by 35 on the road then lose by 5 at home...makes no sense), and crazy things that happen v. sim_ai opponents all apply. I saw a human with a better team and better record than me, lose to an 0-25? team at the time and I literally killed this team by 68 points, 117-49.

My point is, things that shouldn't be presumably happening ARE happening and probably more often than it should, but if all you'll ever look to do is justify every result, then you'll never see ANY problems with the game and further, you're a detrimant to further progress of HD, thus you aren't helping by patting seble on the back every time this stuff happens.

Quote: Originally posted by sideburn on 4/08/2010Don't take single games so hard. Some vets here don't even read the PbP.

Just move on, have a good time.

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Quote: Originally Posted By tkimble on 4/10/2010

It doesn't matter that the "better" teams lose sometimes, its the way that they lose sometimes that is a problem.

This is why I don't understand your argument colonels19, which way do you think the better team should lose sometimes? You admit that its OK for the better team to lose. Tell me how?

Yes, please do. What it is acceptable in an upset to you? A game that passes the eye/logic test....a result that makes sense. You talk like any time you have any superiority, you must win or it is a catastrophic flaw. Couldn't be more false. Rediculous

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 4/08/2010
I hate when people try to justify these instances/anomalies....just admit that stuff like this isn't supposed to happen.





Take a statistics class.

Nice to know that you think that HD is perfect as is because every result places itself on the bell curve.........