Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/11/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 5/11/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/11/2010
Coppin St 23-6 58 RPI 205 SOS
Denver 22-7 50 RPI 125 SOS
N. Iowa 22-7 53 RPI 131 SOS
Not sure if there are others.
How can you even contend that Syracuse with a 15-12 record and a 52 RPI has any business getting into the tournament over any of the above mentioned teams? You must be basing it on SOS which is insane that you'd judge SOS over Wins and Losses, specifically when the RPIs are almost all the same.
mmt, I think it depends if those other schools beat some high quality teams. If they did, I'm OK w. them getting in. If not, they have no business being in the NT.
Ok...since this dicussion is clearly continuing both here and on the CC in the Big East, I'll say a couply of things:
1) My comments on this subject were in no way trying to justify how any of those teams listed by Sully somehow deserved NT spots; I was speaking specifically to the comparrison made by Sully, that the Cuse should have somehow got in above those teams. Perhaps upon closer inspection none of those teams (including the Cuse) belong in the NT;
2) (This is more towards a comment made by Davey Boy in the CC); What my record is/was in no way has any bearing as to whether I can comment on your schedule or give an opinion as to whether a 15-12 team belongs in the NT. The fact you beat my Manhattan sqaud or that my SOS sucks make ZIPPO difference...in fact I got an auto bid for winning my CT and probably dont get in either without doing so. I never understand this arguement in a conversation. Husband to Wife - You know we really spend to much on eating out. Wife to Husband - Well, I looked at the receipts from your last marriage and you are out twice as much. What the heck does the previous spending have to do with the current? Anyhow I digress.
3) There are a multitude of factors which go into determining a NT spot; RPI gives a better indication of the quality of season as a hole as it incorporates both W/Ls and SOS. My main point is, in a situation where schools have similar RPIs Ws not SOS should be the determining factor. Its insane to suggest otherwise. Again, thats not to say that a team with a 29-0 regular season but 120 RPI should get in (auto bid aside) BUT when comparing two teams whose RPIs are nearly identical suggesting that the SOS should somehow be the tiebreaker when the teams are separated by 10 wins is insane. Specifically when 11 of the 15 wins came against teams with 115+ RPI...SOS is meaningless and will always be low when playing in a top tier conference. The fact is the school in question school managed a 4-11 record v. sub 100 RPI teams. You want realism? This team wouldnt even be on the bubble in reality.