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I'd like to see a full ST like MLB where you cut down at similar intervals, eventually getting to 25 players.

The guys who are your borderline players wouldn't get cut until the end and in the second half of ST you'd see them playing vs AAAA and MLB competition, just like real life.

It would also force teams to play there MLB guys in ST just like real life.

You could play ST games every half cycle as well, 6 per day, so it wouldn't take any longer than normal.
5/20/2010 1:42 PM
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Oh, and if you don't log in to make your cuts on time, the game jus automatically cuts the players at the lower levels (first RL, then LoA, etc.) until you are under the limit, with overall rating being the tiebreaker.
5/20/2010 1:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mitchrapp on 5/20/2010Lol. Well it's more do I side with Mike or do I side with DIAH. Kind of a lose-lose here. Death being a Canuck tipped the scale in Mike's favor
mitch thinks you're the bomb. Admit your idea sucks.
5/20/2010 2:09 PM
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I'm not sure what your envy of, Mikes idea or Mike himself.
5/20/2010 2:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 5/20/2010Small sample sizes for Spring Training...

it doesn't matter how it is done, against other teams or pitting your squad against your own you'll still have sample sizes that are far too small to be making roster decisions...

i like the old fashioned idea of looking at ratings, which are the only thing that matte


An entire season is a small sample size.

Great ratings are nice but, if they don't translate to stats, they aren't really important.

It translates to dating a hot model with a smelly cooch. You're the only person who knows her cooch stinks because everyone else can only see her great "ratings". Are you sticking with her?
5/20/2010 2:37 PM
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Except that in HBD the model has a cooch smell rating and we know exactly what it is on a 0-100 scale.

You might catch her on a night she's in remition, but over an extended 'period' of time (we call this the long run) she'll smell exactly like her rating says she should.

Her stats mean nothing in terms of future performance, because we have perfect knowledge with the rating system we are given.

Your arguement would have merit if all we saw were ratings on a 2-8 scale with an error of +\- 1 compared to the true rating.

Which is one of the reasons our 100 point perfect knowldege scale is awful. It completely removes using stats as a predictor of future performance as a viable option.
5/20/2010 2:50 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by goosegoslin on 5/20/2010Except that in HBD the model has a cooch smell rating and we know exactly what it is on a 0-100 scale.

You might catch her on a night she's in remition, but over an extended 'period' of time (we call this the long run) she'll smell exactly like her rating says she should.

Her stats mean nothing in terms of future performance, because we have perfect knowledge with the rating system we are given.

Your arguement would have merit if all we saw were ratings on a 2-8 scale with an error of +\- 1 compared to the true rating.

Which is one of the reasons our 100 point perfect knowldege scale is awful. It completely removes using stats as a predictor of future performance as a viable option.

Tell that to this guy, Joe Rucker who smelled all year.
5/20/2010 2:54 PM
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Like someone mentioned above, a season is small sample size. I wouldn't expect him to perform any better than his ratings say next year.

The other possibility is that you are misinterpreting his ratings and what performance you should expect from them. I didn't bother clicking the link to the player, since I'm posting from a phone.
5/20/2010 2:57 PM
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Do we have perfect knowledge? Is that why there's ALWAYS someone asking "Why does this guy suck?"

I think most of you are really missing the point. You obviously take the 88/74/66/67/88 hitter over the 66/74/57/53/48 guy regardless of stats. But do you do take the 66/74/57/53/48 over the 72/65/53/54/51 guy if player two drops an OPS of .848 in 50 AB against YOUR BL team while the other guy produces an OPS of .644 against the same team?

Again, I'm talking about the 24th/25th spots on a roster. As I said, I usually have 23 spots locked in, much like a MLB team, and a choice between a half dozen others before ST starts. However, unlike a MLB team, I have nothing to judge these players on, except ratings, after ST ends.
5/20/2010 2:57 PM
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Of course, I can ask another question or two.

Does ST, in it's current state, matter at all? Would it POSSIBLY matter just a little bit more if it was changed to my suggestion?
5/20/2010 2:59 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by goosegoslin on 5/20/2010Like someone mentioned above, a season is small sample size. I wouldn't expect him to perform any better than his ratings say next year.

The other possibility is that you are misinterpreting his ratings and what performance you should expect from them. I didn't bother clicking the link to the player, since I'm posting from a phone.

From his ratings and prior seasons, he blew it. But you're right, one season is a small sample.
5/20/2010 3:00 PM
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Almost always, assuming the person understands the ratings, the why does this guy suck question can be answered by 1) sample size 2) environment - meaning park and defensive behind the guy if he's a pitcher.
5/20/2010 3:29 PM
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I don't think we should assume anyone understands the ratings "perfectly" as you said.

Just using you as an example, you've won 6 divisions in 16 seasons. Just barely over .500 for your HBD career(.506). Do you think you have a "perfect" understanding of the ratings?

I'm not being an *** intentionally but, when someone uses "perfect", I sort of expect perfection.
5/20/2010 3:53 PM
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1. Mike's idea, my idea, anything is better than the current state.

2. mitch is Mike's lap dog.

3. A smelly cooch doesn't matter if she swallows. I'm trying to figure out how to tie in this analogy to the former comparison.
5/20/2010 4:11 PM
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Understanding what a good player is and being able to acquire them are different skills.

I won 3 pennants in 4 years, tore it apart and didn't have the best luck/skill in putting it back together. I'm also in arguably the best world in HBD.

There is very little grey area in the ratings for anyone that understands math.
5/20/2010 4:51 PM
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