Quote: Originally Posted By grecianfox on 5/25/2010questioning everything makes you look like an idiot and makes the forums unreadable which is a shame

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/26/2010The bottom line here, and I've said this before, is that you guys almost always give WIS the benefit of the doubt and I almost always am the exact opposite mainly because of past experiences I've had with the site.Like I said, if your EXCUSE is always that "its only one game" then you're suggesting that the game can NEVER BE WRONG.  NONE OF YOU have ever answered this, so I'll pose the question again....At what point does IOOG no longer apply?

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/26/2010The bottom line here, and I've said this before, is that you guys almost always give WIS the benefit of the doubt and I almost always am the exact opposite mainly because of past experiences I've had with the site.Like I said, if your EXCUSE is always that "its only one game" then you're suggesting that the game can NEVER BE WRONG.  NONE OF YOU have ever answered this, so I'll pose the question again....At what point does IOOG no longer apply?

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/26/2010
The bottom line here, and I've said this before, is thatyou guys almost always give WIS the benefit of the doubt and I almost always am the exact opposite

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/26/2010

Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/26/2010
The bottom line here, and I've said this before, is that you guys almost always give WIS the benefit of the doubt and I almost always am the exact opposite mainly because of past experiences I've had with the site.

Like I said, if your EXCUSE is always that "its only one game" then you're suggesting that the game can NEVER BE WRONG. NONE OF YOU have ever answered this, so I'll pose the question again....

At what point does IOOG no longer apply?

That is an easy question to answer. I play the game because it is fun for me to play. If I didn't think it was fun, and if I did not think I could recruit good players and game plan and win then I would quit. I play for the same reasons, if I didn't like the game, I wouldn't be here. This is the best CBB game out there PERIOD, regardless of the occasional BS.

If I thought the game would not reliably allow the best team to win most of the time, I wouldn't play it.

I think the game engine works fairly well, and I think the updates that they have wanted to do to it (like adding potential to add some realism, adding increased focus on individual matchups, etc.) make the game better. Therefore, I want to play the game. I understand and even expect that the first season after a major upgrade will have issues ... I also know that they will work to make it better. Again, if I didn't think they would make it better, then I would quit. Trust me, we're all reserving this judgment as we speak.

I can not see the logic in playing a game I hate, one where the engine never does anything but **** me off to the point that I have to make negative posts all the time about it, etc. Completely agreed.

I mean, I pay money to play this game. If I didn't like it, I would stop playing it. (Just like I would not keep going to McDonald's and buying Big Macs if I hate Big Macs. At some point, I would stop buying Big Macs and go somewhere else.) It actually seems that you're on the WIS payroll. The misconception here is that I don't like the game.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/26/2010
When it is no longer only one(Or a very small number of) games.

When the sample size is large enough that it appears to be systemic rather than an oddity.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/26/2010

The bottom line here, and I've said this before, is thatyou guys almost always give WIS the benefit of the doubt and I almost always am the exact opposite

You love saying that, but that's not the bottom line, and it's not true. Its really the gist of what goes on here, let's not kid ourselves.

This is about intelligent evaluation, not "benefit of the doubt". You have no idea how to intelligently evaluate good vs. bad, relvant vs. irrelevant. You make inane comments like "my POY center committed two fouls in two minutes", as though that has any meaning whatsoever. And you say results from any one game don't matter, thus the game can never be wrong...I'm going to listen to you "drink the Kool-Aid" he says...If I see something that I think is wrong, or BS, I'm going to post about it...a guy going 8-10 with a 1 LP and a 13 PER is ridiculous...tell me that it isn't.

Where were you during Beta, when myself and others were pointing out all kinds of problems, bugs, etc. and arguing strenuously with seble about a whole slew of issues? I found BETA to be incredibly boring thus I rarely participated. On top of that, I'll play this game however...you want to say that I have no reason to gripe just because I didn't actively participate in BETA...fine...that's your opinion. The issues that I raised were ****** away because of who I am, and I get that.

Your thought that everyone just blindly supports WIS and always gives the benefit of the doubt is hugely misplaced. Blindly supports and giving the benefit of the doubt are 2 ENTIRELY different premises...I've argued the latter. The real difference is that others here understand what is meaningful and what isn't, what is relevant and what isn't. So at what point does stuff matter, sir? There may be a very select few (I can think of no more than 3-4) that blindly support WIS. The other 99% just have an actual capability to discern when something is problematic and when it isn't. You completely lack that ability and perspective, and that is the heart of the problem. I reserve the right to gripe if I feel I've been screwed or if something that happened probably shouldn't have happened, a lot of the times its just venting, but you get so wound up because colonels19 is posting that you go into towel boy mode and respond to every last little thing I post...well actually you don't, but... Again, since you skirted the question

At what point does IOOG not apply?