Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/02/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 6/02/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/02/2010

The issue is what you think your settings mean vs. what they actually mean.

Clearly that's the issue, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. And no, the your-sim-is-a-more-confident-shooter-because-his-per-is-higher argument doesn't make sense.

isack, how does it not make sense that, all else being equal, Reggie Miller is going to take more 3pters than Tony Parker

Because all else isn't equal. Reggie Miller will take more 3s than Tony Parker NOT because his per is higher, but because his +/- shades more towards +. If the two played together, and their coach said "I want you taking the same amount of shots," then Miller wouldn't take more, he would take the same.

That sounds just about like complaining for the sake of complaining, because otherwise you aren't making sense.

If they played together and the coach said, "I want you to take the same amount of shots", then by-and-large they would, except more of Reggie's would come from 3p range.

He no doubt meant three point shots. Not that that makes it make sense, but there you go.

Tell me what coach, anywhere, ever, would tell Reggie miller NOT to take a wide open three unharassed save in special end of game circumstances?

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ll, it's not going against your orders at all. We're not talking about guys taking more shots or less shots than you want them to, we're simply talking about where on the court their shots will come from. And the only thing that makes sense is that top perimeter shooters take more of their shots from 3p, while crappy perimeter shooters would take less.

Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 6/02/2010
He no doubt meant three point shots. Not that that makes it make sense, but there you go.

Tell me what coach, anywhere, ever, would tell Reggie miller NOT to take a wide open three unharassed save in special end of game circumstances?

Of course I meant 3-pt shots.

Seriously guys. The real life comparison is dumb for multiple reasons, but here are the big two: (1) nothing is ever equal and (2) there is no such thing as a +/- in real life. In real life, people shoot because their "rating" is high, I agree. But again, that's because there's NO SUCH THING as a +/-. If there was, it would affect the amount of shots they take.

The reason Miller would shoot more shots is undoubtedly because he's a better 3-point shooter. But if we're going to continue this ludicrous real-life analogy, the frequency is literally because he has a higher +, not a higher rating. To the bolded part, you're right, and because of that, he would be a +2. Tony Parker would not. That's why this whole thing is stupid.

The rating no doubt affects where a coach sets the +/-, but it shouldn't have any affect on how many shots are taken, "all else being equal." If I set my 8 per SG to +2, then I want him jacking up as many 3-point shots as he can. That might make me stupid, but that's what I want. It's not the sim's job to coach for me, it's the sim's job to implement my coaching plan.

And hughes, read the whole thread before you chime in - or don't chime in with something already addressed, at least. The positional difference has already been addressed, that's not what we're discussing.

And if you set him to +2, he would jack a ton of 3p's.

But again, 0 is looking for shots that make sense within the flow of the offense, and I truly think that it's just common sense that there will be 3p shots that make sense w. in the flow of the offense for a 90 pe guy that definitely wouldn't make sense for a 45 pe. Honestly, that seems pretty basic to me.

That's fine, that makes more sense than the Reggie Miller hypo. I suppose, depending on the discrepancy in shots, that works for me. I simply think that the definition of what 0 means is too vague, and maybe that's where my issue comes from. "Shots in the flow of the offense" works in real life, but I'm not sure how that works with the sim, and I would like more control than that, I think.

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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/02/2010ll, it's not going against your orders at all. We're not talking about guys taking more shots or less shots than you want them to, we're simply talking about where on the court their shots will come from. And the only thing that makes sense is that top perimeter shooters take more of their shots from 3p, while crappy perimeter shooters would take less.

That makes sense, and it'd make sense for a coach to not put them at -2. But if a coach does put them at -2 for whatever reason, they should listen to their coach shouldn't they? Larry Brown put every 3pt shooter at -1 on the Pistons title team and actually sat Billups for taking 1 too many. He's the coach, so the players had to follow his orders. Shouldn't it be that way in this sim as well?

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I would sort of like it, if - for consistency's sake, they made there be the same plus minus three point settings for individual players that there are for the team: -5 to + 5. Minus five coudl really be "Absolutely no, never, don't even think about it bud" and Plus five "Bombs away! Fire at will, commander!" And zero "Do what thou wilt"|


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