Posted by dh555 on 7/7/2010 6:23:00 PM (view original):
"How Jordan or the King don't go in the top 5 blows my mind.  Yet, looking at the top 5, I can't really argue against it.  Except maybe for Bird.  Bird is an elite player in the sim, but I think he is in the 10-15 range when it comes to building a team around him.  I realize dh tries to build teams without using a bunch of the same guys he already has, so it makes sense."


yea bird is not a top 5 player....i was really hoping lebron or mj would be picked in the top 4 so i could get one of moses/wilt/rodman.....i do feel bird is worthy of a top 10 pick though....the combo of boards/assists/defense/efficiency and being a high usage #1 scoring option all from the sf spot really makes drafting the other positions so much easier

Yeah, he's top 10 pick worthy.  It depends on how you feel about making your team.  A midrange guy is far from being a priority for me.

imo, $42M top 10 prospects:

1) Moses - absolute best bang for your buck

2) Barkley (if used as a SF) - we've already gone through this

3) Rodman - Flat out:  he is the best rebounder in the sim... and the fact that you can use him at the 3 and do this?  He might be 2 and Barkley 3.  You can't get his rebounding later.  You can get close (and close is good enough in a draft league), but you can't get close at the 3.

4) Wilt (if you use 66-67 season; I haven't seen anyone do Wiltzilla well in this league, and I frankly don't think it's the best strategy.)  - You may scoff at spending $13.5M on a support player, but with all of the options he gives you later on, it's worth it IMO.  You have to get the right guys around him, though, which is hard to do considering to get him you have to be in the top 5, but those options are out there.  You gotta have the balls to get those guys, though.

5a) Jordan - if you use 88-89 as PG, I put him at 5 & LBJ at 6.  If you use almost any other Jordan (at SG), I put him at 6 and the King at 5.  There is one season I think is more valuable as a SG than LBJ, and since we're only drafting one season here, that's why he's 5a

5b) LBJ (if used as a SG) - see Jordan's description.  He doesn't rebound enough to really, truly play his real position (unless you've got dennis rodman and bill russell playing with him, which ain't happening unless you do some crazy trading!)

7) Magic - no other point gives you everything.  Boards, threes, ftas (he is the best at this - ignore Oscar's total numbers; he never gets them).  Huge assists.  At a decent price, too, with great positional flexibility.  The only person that comes close with having his usage is Oscar.  If you want a point that's more of a set-up guy, Kidd's your man (and others, but he's been drafted; they have not), but you can get a lot of non-scoring (or non-high scoring) point guards later.  You can only get Magic near the top of the draft.

8 through 10)  things start getting a little more complicated here for me.  I like paint monsters, so I value them more highly than others.  Of the ones that are left, I like the Admiral the best, followed by Shaq and then Kareem (lot of his better seasons are more midrange; his best paint season is expensive as hell and doesn't get to the line as much as I want this guy to get to).  Dwight Howard I think should be considered here, but his low(er) usg% compared to those other guys makes him more of an 11-15 guy for me.  Oscar, Wade & Bird come up right here, too, as they are guys you can build around in positions that are hard to fill (optimally) later in the draft.  Mailman & Matrix also jump to my mind here, for the same reason.  Things that are easy to fill later in the draft are point guards (both high & low usage), low usg% big guys that rebound, and low usg% bombers that play the 2 (or 3).  But getting SFs that rebound, shoot some threes, get to the line a ton while having a good efg% and making everyone else better?  That's hard to find.  Which is why there should be no issue with Bird in the top 10.

This is all just opinion.  But it's a prospective into how I build my teams, which may or may not be a good thing.  There are plenty of owners who have handed me my *** using very different strategies!

Posted by felonius on 7/7/2010 11:56:00 PM (view original):
look you can correct all your mistakes by taking advantange of the repercussions of other peoples mistakes as they play out over the next several rounds - i f you are not thinknig 3 or 4 rounds ahead (i.e. if I take this guy I need to get more XX) then you aren't in the right league at this point anyway and I have a great 7 card stud site I'd like to invite you to

This was an excellent point.  I already have a full roster built.  If my 2nd round guy gets taken (or any other round guy), then I will back up and figure out what I need to do to fix that issue.  By the same token, if there is a player (or two) that fall my way I wasn't expecting, I'll take some time and figure out how this guy works with what I'm doing now, or if what the new guy gives me will be better than I planned.

Kidd - definitely works here.  His 08-09 season in particular is flat-out Godly in a $42M setting.  He's the other guy I would possibly take ahead of CP3.  Completely different style for a completely different team, but man, what he gives you is so good.

I just went over why Billups is great in $42M.  No surprise that he's starting to get drafted in R1 more and more.

I'm surprised Russell fell like he did.  He's not the top 10 guy anymore, but he certainly belongs somewhere before 21.  I almost went that route earlier.  Incredible value at 21.

Gilmore... remember when I used to get this guy in the late 2nd round?  Why is he a first rounder now?  Why was he #2 on my proxy list today?  He gives you a lot of goods.  A lot.


Bit surprise to me is who hasn't been drafted yet.  This is a good surprise, as most of those guys go way too high and aren't really 'build-around' players IMO.  I bet they'll go like hotcakes in round 2.

To be honest ash... Gilmore was a top 10 staple for more years than not.  Recently he fell off the table a bit but overall he probably has an average draft rating of 7-10 the last 15 seasons.  Then again I suppose that encompasses a couple of sim changes but his 2nd round days are not many.

He's expensive, but with the current sim standards, you can afford to spend $20M on two picks.

thanks for the update, scud.

The A-Train is a little short on FTAs, and a little TO and PF prone

he's not that short on ftas considering he's sub 22% usage.
He is really high on tov considering that same stat.
And yeah, he fouls.  A lot.

That makes him too expensive for my taste.  I don't I've ever used Happy Gilmore in this sim.

Can't believe Hakeem and Payton fell that far.

Posted by ashamael on 7/10/2010 1:57:00 AM (view original):
he's not that short on ftas considering he's sub 22% usage.
He is really high on tov considering that same stat.
And yeah, he fouls.  A lot.

4.1/fp48 isnt bad at all for a rebounding big man

Posted by empdenied on 7/10/2010 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Can't believe Hakeem and Payton fell that far.

i know...it does seem crazy.....i think hakeem is a guy you have to build around and after he didnt go in the first round he wasnt getting looks in the second when guys are trying to pick affordable options to compliment their first round picks, guys that dominate an area of need(board-lords, bombers, assist guys)....hakeem does everything well but isnt great at anything besides defense and that isnt worth spending on in 42 mil....plus he fouls a ton....still getting him in the 3rd round could be a huge steal for evil...lebron and nash dont foul at all and should help his fg% go much higher

Posted by dh555 on 7/10/2010 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 7/10/2010 1:57:00 AM (view original):
he's not that short on ftas considering he's sub 22% usage.
He is really high on tov considering that same stat.
And yeah, he fouls.  A lot.

4.1/fp48 isnt bad at all for a rebounding big man

maybe so but it's twice Wilt or Moses and there's a next tier of guys who are under 4.0 and rebound just as well as him - the question isnt whether he's good - it's whether there are 24+ guys you might rather have 

Posted by felonius on 7/10/2010 12:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dh555 on 7/10/2010 12:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 7/10/2010 1:57:00 AM (view original):
he's not that short on ftas considering he's sub 22% usage.
He is really high on tov considering that same stat.
And yeah, he fouls.  A lot.

4.1/fp48 isnt bad at all for a rebounding big man

maybe so but it's twice Wilt or Moses and there's a next tier of guys who are under 4.0 and rebound just as well as him - the question isnt whether he's good - it's whether there are 24+ guys you might rather have 

52...no....42...yea i think your probably right