I want to reiterate that I have no issue with the recruit attributes.  I just resent spending historically adequate amounts of money on recruits and consistently losing out on them to teams with lower prestige ... even when I have offered starting spots and significant (25) minutes.  This is happening with increased frequency.  And I leave open the fact that either the system sucks, or I suck as a coach (worst coach with 750 wins) - but the net is the same: it has sufficiently discouraged me, a longtime player, and I now seriously have to consider leaving versus wasting money on a game that isn't fun and I see no runway to success at.

Basing actions in any field on what many say or how things look is never a good idea. Decisions need to be based upon data. Facts.

Else you wind up searching for elusive weapons of mass destruction, and find out they never existed. They just looked like they did.

Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Couldn't agree more.  One compelling data set should be: how many coaches do not like the changes?  how many are leaving?  how many are switching teams/divisions?  And how many have 20+ seasons of experience?  If I was WIS, that would be the primary data set I would examine.  When you churn a quorum of loyal customers, that's of concern.

Hey, new Coke may not have tasted badly ... but people preferred the old recipe.

Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Thank you Vandydave.  As always, well said.  If others could get passed the noses on their own faces to see these facts as well, addressing this problem would be a slam dunk!  Sorry for the shot boys, but I'm just blown away with how many can't seem to think beyond the whole "me, me, me" perspective of this situation.

Posted by dilo on 8/14/2010 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Couldn't agree more.  One compelling data set should be: how many coaches do not like the changes?  how many are leaving?  how many are switching teams/divisions?  And how many have 20+ seasons of experience?  If I was WIS, that would be the primary data set I would examine.  When you churn a quorum of loyal customers, that's of concern.

Hey, new Coke may not have tasted badly ... but people preferred the old recipe.

What makes you think you have a quorum?  Hell, you don't even seem to have a quorum of those responding on this THREAD, and people who aren't upset generally don't tend to respond on message boards as much as those who do(Edit)(As those who are upset.), so things like this are biased to make passions look greater than they really are,.

People who are upset actually tend to just fade away from this game...

Funny, I agree with what Dave is saying, but I also agree with Cbriese.  What we really need to know (with actual numbers, not blanket statements) is how many D1 schools have lost human coaches in the last couple of seasons (BCS, mid-major, and low level).  My gut says that Dave is correct, but without actual numbers to back it up (this is where I agree with Breezy), we're all just whistling in the wind.

Personally, I have 3 ID's and between the 3, I'll be dropping 4 teams in the next month or so.  That's not a guess or an estimate, that's a fact.  Of the 4, 1 is a BCS school, 1 would be considered a mid-major, and 2 are low level.  I have varying reasons for dropping the teams, but I can assure you the reasons have all been listed somewhere in this thread.

I realize that only a very small percentage of coaches who play HD actually post in the forums, but it would be interesting to see, of those coaches who are forum regulars, whether they are dropping teams, adding teams, or standing pat.  My guess is that we would see more teams being dropped than added, simply because, as A-in-the-B said and I agree, the majority of the coaches posting are unhappy.  But........just because someone doesn't post regularly, doesn't mean they aren't dropping teams. 

The only way to know that is to go back and compare the number of human coaches in each world over the past few seasons and see if a trend is starting to develop.  I think that if that were done, we would see less coaches than before, not by a huge amount, but noticeable, and if we waited three or four more seasons, we would continue to see the numbers drop.  But that's just my opinion.................

I am upset because the change really affected me bad.  I went from being able to get fill gaps to not being able to and getting weaker Div. 2 quality players and I went up a grade in prestige.

I mean a whole letter grade in prestige after making the National Tournament.  Meanwhile, other teams in my conference can at least get decent players and now they are barely better than me in prestige.  Big schools seem to get a whole lot more of our players just to sit around and do nothing.

Posted by Animal7 on 8/14/2010 4:36:00 PM (view original):
I am upset because the change really affected me bad.  I went from being able to get fill gaps to not being able to and getting weaker Div. 2 quality players and I went up a grade in prestige.

Here is your majority of users, Dave. Align yourself with this guy.

Posted by dcy0827 on 8/14/2010 4:36:00 PM (view original):
Funny, I agree with what Dave is saying, but I also agree with Cbriese.  What we really need to know (with actual numbers, not blanket statements) is how many D1 schools have lost human coaches in the last couple of seasons (BCS, mid-major, and low level).  My gut says that Dave is correct, but without actual numbers to back it up (this is where I agree with Breezy), we're all just whistling in the wind.

Personally, I have 3 ID's and between the 3, I'll be dropping 4 teams in the next month or so.  That's not a guess or an estimate, that's a fact.  Of the 4, 1 is a BCS school, 1 would be considered a mid-major, and 2 are low level.  I have varying reasons for dropping the teams, but I can assure you the reasons have all been listed somewhere in this thread.

I seem to remember a thread somewhere that tracked this type of info year-over-year. Is it still around?

Posted by dbalog on 8/14/2010 3:17:00 PM (view original):
aejones, you have all non-DI teams. Spend your time and money building up a non-BCS team in DI and then see how you like taking a dick in the *** with this change.

Hey dbalog,

I do have all non-D1 teams, but I also have all A+ prestige teams (or a season away because I haven't been there long enough). It would be easy to have success to non-BCS D1 schools. You just have to adjust.

Instead of going after a class of 3-4 guys, you might have to focus on only 1 guy who is stud and fill in a class of role players behind him. Or, you might not be able to balance your classes, you might have to go after two big classes so that when they are upperclassmen (you'll have the benefit of less EEs) you'll be a top 10 team in the country. Now, once you have this success you might jump to an A prestige, at which time you'll be able to recruit 'em up with the big boys (at least protecting the best local talent). Alternatively, you could move up to a BCS school after some success.

The bottomline is that no one here is going to agree with you because this is the change that everyone was clamoring about (variance in recruit generation).

Posted by dilo on 8/14/2010 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vandydave on 8/14/2010 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Fact: these mid to low D1 recruits are much much worse than previous recruits at the same level

Fact: coaches are dropping teams or dropping divisions because of these new recruits

Fact: the majority of Hd coaches articulate they prefer less sim teams rather than more sim teams

Couldn't agree more.  One compelling data set should be: how many coaches do not like the changes?  how many are leaving?  how many are switching teams/divisions?  And how many have 20+ seasons of experience?  If I was WIS, that would be the primary data set I would examine.  When you churn a quorum of loyal customers, that's of concern.

Hey, new Coke may not have tasted badly ... but people preferred the old recipe.

They also were unable to notice the change from sugar to corn syrup in most soft drink recipes, because the manufacturer made those changes quietly.