Posted by colonels19 on 1/26/2011 9:09:00 PM (view original):
How about the ability to see each individual rating on the summary page of recruiting?..that'd be nice....that would make comparing potential recruits a whole lot easier.

Like.

Posted by wronoj on 1/26/2011 7:11:00 PM (view original):
i like the concept, but think it needs to include potentials (once they've been scouted).

i think without the inclusion of potential there is not nearly as much value to this. Is it possible/included? Otherwise, this becomes a great tool to decide who to scout, and is otherwise useless...

potentials are probably too ambiguous to include. plus, you want to reward players who take effort to include potential their own way, right?

Just doing it by position and taking away overall ratings seems like a very bad idea, particularly in this new engine.  There are definitely a large number of players whose ideal position is not their listed position.  Sometimes they would be downright awful at that position.  I remember seeing a few PGs here and there that I thought might make decent PFs, for example.  If I can't sort by overall, though, and they're wayyyyyyy at the bottom because their PG ranking is ugly, I might be more likely to overlook them.  The best example from my teams right now is Carlos Castleman.  At the end of his sophomore season he's already starting to look like a very good D2 SF and will be one of the better players on my team next year.  That being said, if he showed up in my list of recruits based on my SG weightings, with his speed in the 30s and passing in the 20s and BH in the upper 20s as well, I'd never have even looked at him.  And that would have been a real shame.

Could you just have five custom "Templates" for players that you can scroll through, and each of those filters would view ALL players from every position through those weighted numbers so you could decide who fit best for you at what position?  Sort of like the custom searches you can save in the NBA game?

 

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/26/2011 9:34:00 PM (view original):
Just doing it by position and taking away overall ratings seems like a very bad idea, particularly in this new engine.  There are definitely a large number of players whose ideal position is not their listed position.  Sometimes they would be downright awful at that position.  I remember seeing a few PGs here and there that I thought might make decent PFs, for example.  If I can't sort by overall, though, and they're wayyyyyyy at the bottom because their PG ranking is ugly, I might be more likely to overlook them.  The best example from my teams right now is Carlos Castleman.  At the end of his sophomore season he's already starting to look like a very good D2 SF and will be one of the better players on my team next year.  That being said, if he showed up in my list of recruits based on my SG weightings, with his speed in the 30s and passing in the 20s and BH in the upper 20s as well, I'd never have even looked at him.  And that would have been a real shame.

see my idea previous page

Honestly, I'm shocked that people like this idea.

This is an insane amount of spoon feeding. Why not just have a computer recruit and set gameplans for us, too? 

So much of recruiting is evaluating who looks good to you ... putting in a program that simply does this for you strikes me as completely awful and terrible for the game.

I can also envision very shortly after when guys will start trading formulas -- this is OR's formula, etc. and people use it. Awful.

And while I'm at it, I'll say that with all of the things in the game that really need to be address -- big and small -- it's stunning to me that after several months of complete radio silence, this is the first contact we're getting. Let's work on really addressing some lingering issues before we worry about an extraneous bell and whistle like this.

Building the custom evaluation capability into the site would be a big help to me. I have been using my iPad and iPhone for recruiting more and more, and I can't take advantage of my recruiting formulas so much.

Its dumb. It takes the fun out of recruiting. Let people do it themselves. I really don't like this idea. It evens the playing field out between coaches. Which isn't goodfor those who put in the hours and work hard at finding recruits that fit their program.

I really really dislike this "idea". So many other things to work on instead of a glorified excel spreadsheet for lazy coaches.

Posted by girt25 on 1/26/2011 10:00:00 PM (view original):
Honestly, I'm shocked that people like this idea.

This is an insane amount of spoon feeding. Why not just have a computer recruit and set gameplans for us, too? 

So much of recruiting is evaluating who looks good to you ... putting in a program that simply does this for you strikes me as completely awful and terrible for the game.

I can also envision very shortly after when guys will start trading formulas -- this is OR's formula, etc. and people use it. Awful.

And while I'm at it, I'll say that with all of the things in the game that really need to be address -- big and small -- it's stunning to me that after several months of complete radio silence, this is the first contact we're getting. Let's work on really addressing some lingering issues before we worry about an extraneous bell and whistle like this.

Rack.

Posted by zbrent716 on 1/26/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
This isn't a horrible idea in theory, although there will be formulas passed around and shared and what-not. It will just lead to more battles and *change* the strategy of recruiting, rather than kill it.

That said, it is well down the list of things that I (personally) would like to see, and (I have to imagine, since I am not a programmer) considerably more effort than some other (mostly small) things that should (IMO) be done first.

Some examples:

Practice Minutes devoted to Film Study.

Player Profile "Notes" option (like in HBD) from the Little annoyances thread.

From that same thread, more customization with recruit priority groups/colors.

Keeping historical stats available (if I can see what my 10-year veteran hitting coach hit when he was a player in High A in Spring Training in Season 3, I should be able to see the year-by-year stats for my All-American Shooting guard who graduated two seasons ago.

Show "record against" a particular owner when you view his profile (again, like in HBD). The information is kept, it just is available only once or twice a season (as best I can tell).

A larger issue - dedicated defenders (including a box & 1 for zone).

These are all vastly more important (IMO) than this current idea, and I suspect *most* would be easier to put into play.
 

agree with all of this, especially dedicated defenders as it could go a long way towards fixing fg%

I think you have to be really careful with this idea seble, particularly if it includes some of the suggested advance tools. Really, consider ALL of the implications of having a a ready-made rating telling you who WIS thinks are the best players at each position. It could greatly impact the process of recruiting, setting lineups, setting distro, practically everything. Even the forums would suffer, I mean what would happen to all the "which player is better?" and "which player should start? " threads? ; )

WIS might be spoon feeding coaches way too much information and in the process dumb down the game greatly. Aren't you in danger removing a lot of the skill and art from talent evaluation, recruiting, and coaching the game if you have one plug-and-play number ranking to use for every situation?

No need to evaluate talent, WIS has done it for you!

Bad idea unless you use it behind the scenes to correlate recruit rankings (i.e. after recruiting is finished and you rank the school based on their efforts) and adjust for juco players. This would help serve as an actual ranking system for recruiting efforts and would make the rankings actually mean something. However, there are much larger fish to fry as some have said and currently the way the plan sounds, it is currently a bad idea. Just sayin'

bad idea. let the coaches do some things on their own.

Posted by zbrent716 on 1/26/2011 11:28:00 PM (view original):
This isn't a horrible idea in theory, although there will be formulas passed around and shared and what-not. It will just lead to more battles and *change* the strategy of recruiting, rather than kill it.

That said, it is well down the list of things that I (personally) would like to see, and (I have to imagine, since I am not a programmer) considerably more effort than some other (mostly small) things that should (IMO) be done first.

Some examples:

Practice Minutes devoted to Film Study.

Player Profile "Notes" option (like in HBD) from the Little annoyances thread.

From that same thread, more customization with recruit priority groups/colors.

Keeping historical stats available (if I can see what my 10-year veteran hitting coach hit when he was a player in High A in Spring Training in Season 3, I should be able to see the year-by-year stats for my All-American Shooting guard who graduated two seasons ago.

Show "record against" a particular owner when you view his profile (again, like in HBD). The information is kept, it just is available only once or twice a season (as best I can tell).

A larger issue - dedicated defenders (including a box & 1 for zone).

These are all vastly more important (IMO) than this current idea, and I suspect *most* would be easier to put into play.
 

+1