Posted by zbrent716 on 2/2/2011 10:51:00 PM (view original):
You've never had the scholarship rejected outright when you've done it before the evals? I've run into that problem before.

No, I don't think that's ever happened to me.  If a guy rejected the schollie I'd probably move on and wouldn't try to pull him down.
I'm usually watching about half a dozen potential pull-downs so don't get too hung up on any of them.

My general pattern is something like this:

First night - I do coach calls to 10-20 players I like.  I'll only pursue recruits who say I'm a backup option.  

Day 2 - I watch to see which recruits don't get attention from higher division schools.  Offer schollies to the recruits I plan to pull-down.

 Day 3, I do 10 evals to pull them down on either the 2PM or 5PM EST cycles, and they sign at 8PM.


P.S. Probably the best recruits I get (See Bennett on my AMC team) were considering higher division schools early on, but never signed, and I pulled them down very late.  It pays to be patient.  

My last season recruiting, as an A+ d3 school, I had a d3 player deny my scholarship offer.  He would still talk to me and later accepted it but does this happen often?

to answer the question from earlier - the recruit I signed was on my DI search, I couldn't find him using the DII search

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bow2dacowz on 2/2/2011 10:09:00 PM (view original):
nope not that i picked up on. 

it's just like any other pulldown i guess...some you can get with 10 sv's and some take 20.

I'm convinced the 10 vs 20 is a myth, but maybe I've just been lucky.  Like 100 for 100 lucky.

The question I'd ask is when you did the evals, because that matters a lot.

The 10 versus 20 is definitely not a myth.

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:51:00 PM (view original):
For me, the day 3 thing is as much to avoid battling higher division teams as anything else.

But, I do think you're wasting your money trying to pull-down guys the first night.  

Just my opinion, won't surprise me if somebody tells me I'm wrong.

WIS has always said that players are easier to recruit if you wait.

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 9:59:00 PM (view original):
Interesting, I had always assumed D1 was out of the question, so never tried it.

You can pull-down any 10-mile recruit for about $1,620, so I wouldn't call $2,800 cheap.

You can pull down any 10-mile recruit?

I highly doubt that Jay Miron would make a good D3 basketball player.  I've followed him for years and I'm sure at 40yrs old an with all of those injuries, his vert (w/o bike) is less than 12".  Just saying.

Posted by HalfAstros on 2/2/2011 10:51:00 PM (view original):
For me, the day 3 thing is as much to avoid battling higher division teams as anything else.

But, I do think you're wasting your money trying to pull-down guys the first night.  

Just my opinion, won't surprise me if somebody tells me I'm wrong.

HalfAstros, I noticed your D3 team is ranked #1 this season so it's not like you don't have credibility :)

I do have a question.  I was told by several people to jump early and hard on a pulldown in D2.  (11 SVs and a schollie once the backup message is sent).  I tried it with 2 players this last cycle and it worked with 1 of them.  (The other one was too far from campus for me to compete with another player coach when I have D prestige)

My experience with D3 is about 5 years ago but I've added a second team to my account, whose D3 season will start in a couple of weeks.  I'm trying to understand the differences in approach between D2 and D3 - do most D2 coaches doing pulldowns hit fast and early like I was told?  Do most D3 coaches take the wait-and-see approach like you do?

I can see the value of each, depending on their prestige and scholarship situation.