Trading prospects for cash Topic

Once again;

$185M cap.

Someone gets $5M in a trade; they now have a 190M cap.

Any world worth their salt vetoes cash trades, unless you're willing to hand someone a larger cap than the rest of the world.

It's not "cash". It's cap space.
3/29/2011 8:17 PM
MLB trades involving where cash goes for a player have a 50K max.
3/29/2011 8:19 PM
Methinks the OP wasn't looking for opinions.  He was looking for confirmation of his rightness.

Show me the deal where the Nats sold a player for 4.7m then I'll explain how the Nats don't have a 185m budget just like everyone else in MLB.
3/29/2011 8:29 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/29/2011 4:49:00 PM (view original):
As for situation-specific, the world will have one less "1st round talent".   I defy you to find me one world with one draft where every first round pick was signed.

I'm guessing it could have happened but seriously doubting that it ever did.
If you mean first round picks, as opposed to supplemental picks, it took me about 3 minutes. World Major Leagues, S3. The first 39 picks were all signed.

If it seems that far-fetched to you, I guess I see why you regularly rail against those who don't sign their own draft picks.
3/29/2011 9:14 PM
If the proper signing/accumulation and development of talent does not contribute to the overall "good" of the World, is there any argument (absent a World-specific rule) for the removal of the owner that runs fatigued prospects out there and gets them injured on a regular basis due to misuse?
3/29/2011 9:18 PM
Posted by hoser1 on 3/29/2011 8:04:00 PM (view original):
  I thought that HBD was supposed to be close to managing a MLB franchise? I know I've seen my Washington Nats sell players to other franchises. I've never seen or heard MLB GM's go off on a tangent or have fits over the matter. They just keep doing business as normal, not the same for HBD owners though!

  The definition of a trade is the exchange of goods for money, or goods for goods. I still stand by my statement that it is my $185 million, I want to spend it anyway I want to. I might have missed out on that Intl Free agent, and I still want to use my money elsewhere. I think managers should be allowed to be creative with their cash, HBD allows the transferring of funds to a couple areas, maybe they should open up the transfer to all areas of the budget. For example: Allow the money to be transfered to scouting budgets and such.

 
1)  When did MLB institute a budget cap?  Until that happens, you really cannot compare the financial aspect of running an HBD franchise to running an MLB franchise.

2)  Some HBD worlds are perfectly fine with letting you spend your $185m any way you want to.  Others do not.  There are around 170 worlds out there.  I'm sure you'll fit right in to some.  Others, not so much.
3/29/2011 9:37 PM

I said I guessed it could have happened.    If I get time, I'll do some checking on my own.   I think you might have found an exception.  Of course, unless you want to post another.

This will take longer than I intend because if I don't cover every tiny aspect of it, you'll go "AHA!!!"   Other than the fact that each team is going to need BL-quality, whatever that may be, players in order to compete each season, not really.   Teams that destroy, or don't sign, their prospects will need to take another route.  I don't care what owners do with their minors but I want them to be competitive at the BL level now and 5 seasons from now.   Far too often, owners jack up payroll and have no secondary plan.  So, when they have a team full of overpaid 37 year olds with no prospects, they dump the team and leave a mess.   But if the average BL player is 77 or 57, it doesn't matter as long as the guy neglecting his minors can get enough of those guys, now and in the future, to be competitive.

Now, are you going to claim that a world would collapse if no one signed a first round pick for a season or three?

3/29/2011 9:38 PM
  Jamie Carrol traded to the Colorodo rockies, here's a link that shows his transactions:http: //www.baseball-almanac.com/players/trades.php?p=carroja01

  It says he was traded for $300,000 cash.
3/29/2011 10:22 PM (edited)

You're about 4.4m short.
3/29/2011 10:20 PM
  I guess I offered too much?
3/29/2011 10:23 PM
Red Sox GM Dick O'Connell asked for Rudi and Fingers and purchased them for a million dollars a piece. O'Connell was very concerned that his arch nemises, Gabe Paul and the NY Yankees, would get in on the act, which would have negated his deals for Fingers and Rudi, by acquiring pitcher Vida Blue. To prevent the Yankees from getting Blue, O'Connell called the Tigers to get in on the bidding for Blue's services. Despite those efforts, Finley eventually sold Blue to the Yankees for $1.5 million, neglecting to tell Detroit, until the next day.

The news of the A's fire sale of their star players quickly hit the press and eventually the baseball Commissioner's office. Bowie Kuhn, then the baseball Commissoner, summonded Finley to a "face-to-face meeting" on these transactions.

Finley told Kuhn that free agency and poor attendance were killing any chance for the A's to be competitive and that he was going to use the money from these sales to invest in new players for the A's. Finley basically told Kuhn, "don't butt into this," however, Kuhn saw it differently. He ordered both the Yankees and Red Sox not to play their new players. Allowing them to play would send a signal that pennants could be bought outright and that was something that would create a mockery of the game.

Three days later, Kuhn ruled all sales void, in the "best interest of baseball" and had Rudi, Fingers and Blue returned to the A's. That drove Finley off the deep-end. He called Kuhn, "the village idiot."
3/29/2011 10:33 PM
Finley then hired famed sports attorney, Neil Papiano, and filed a $10 million restraint-of trade lawsuit against Major League Baseball and Kuhn. This lawsuit is widely recognized as one of the most famous precendent-setting cases in the history of American justice and the broad powers of the baseball Commissioner.

Unfortunately for Finley, he lost his case. The court ruled in favor of Major League Baseball and Commissioner Bowie Kuhn. The ruling states, "The Commissioner has the authority to determine whether any act, transaction, or practice is not within the best interest of baseball, and upon such determination, to take whatever preventative or remedial action he deems appropiate, whether or not the act, transaction, or practice complies with the Major league Rules or involves moral turpitude."
Charles O Finley vs. Bowie Kuhn, 7th Circuit, 1978.

3/29/2011 10:35 PM
  Here's a deal just a couple days ago, although it doesn't say how much?

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/14866435/nats-like-ankiel-trade-morgan-to-brewers-for-dykstra-cash/cbsnews
3/29/2011 10:36 PM
Posted by jonas1102 on 3/29/2011 8:19:00 PM (view original):
MLB trades involving where cash goes for a player have a 50K max.
This is patently wrong.  Above a certain amount, I think $1M but maybe $1.5M and in any case way more than $50K, the permission of the commissioner is needed but the trade can still occur.
3/29/2011 10:52 PM
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