How is it possible that DH's Topic

sergei91
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i think they do scale it back. just not enough for you
7/8/2011 10:02 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 7/8/2011 9:49:00 AM (view original):
Just looked Baldelli up.  Never had more than 69 plate appearances in any season as a DH.  I don't think he's a particularly good example for you.

No, you didn't look up Baldelli.   Look up his medical condition.  

But, since I'm sure you won't bother because you "know" what you need to know, let's put it another way.   One guy is Carl Crawford.  The other guy is David Ortiz.   Over the course of 6 months, do you really believe they would feel the same if both only did DH things?

It doesn't matter what his medical condition is.  You have no support that he would have been unable to play long-term as a DH because he never did.  Who knows how many games he would have been able to play if he had been a full-time DH?  He never was, so we'll never know.  Even so, his HBD stamina would be like 10, which I think changes the scenario just a bit.

To your second question, I'm sure Crawford would feel better because he's in better shape, but neither would have to sit to be as effective as they otherwise would.  Hell, Ortiz only proves my point that someone who isn't in great shape can play, and be effective, for 600-700 PAs at DH. 

We both know that I could play someone at 92%, but they won't be nearly as effective as 98%.
7/8/2011 10:05 AM
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Posted by sergei91 on 7/8/2011 10:02:00 AM (view original):
i think they do scale it back. just not enough for you
Yeah, I think we went over that.

I don't think a full-time DH should have to sit more than a couple of games per year, especially if they are sitting during interleague. 

Whatever, none of you have ever admitted that anything is wrong with anything and have never changed your opinion on anything.  So even if I'm right (which happens, albeit rarely), it wouldn't matter, and this isn't a big enough issue for me to keep arguing about. 

So you guys win.  Congrats!
7/8/2011 10:11 AM
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You're kinda dumb.    Baldelli had a medical condition that caused extreme fatigue despite very little exertion.    To pretend he could have DHed regularly is folly. 

Nonetheless, you tell us.   It's obvious you believe 65 stamina should be able to DH for 162 games.   What's the breaking point?  At what stamina would a DH have a chance to show fatigue?  60?  55?  25?  10? 
7/8/2011 10:15 AM
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When you sign a position player with 65 durability, you should know exactly what you're getting in terms of playing time.  You can't think "but I'm only going to use him as a DH, so that 65 DUR shouldn't apply to him".

That's just plain dumb.
7/8/2011 10:15 AM
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How about Jim Thome the past 2 years. (Yes this year he has been banged up) But last year with all the injuries the Twins had you don't think they would have loved to run him out there every day? He only played in 108 games last year and did not once play in the field.
7/8/2011 10:48 AM
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He's obviously lazy.   After all, he only has to swing a bat 4 times a day.   Jeeeeeezzzzz!!!!
7/8/2011 10:55 AM
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Posted by kneeneighbor on 7/8/2011 10:48:00 AM (view original):
How about Jim Thome the past 2 years. (Yes this year he has been banged up) But last year with all the injuries the Twins had you don't think they would have loved to run him out there every day? He only played in 108 games last year and did not once play in the field.

I live in MN, so I watch the Twins often.  I don't think it has much to do with his durability.  Admittedly, Thome is on the low end of the durability scale at this point, but they also don't run him out against lefties that often.  Is that because he needs a rest, or because they have better options against LHP?  I think their reasoning is the latter, to be honest.

Especially when you take a look at his extreme splits last year.

7/8/2011 10:56 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 10:15:00 AM (view original):
You're kinda dumb.    Baldelli had a medical condition that caused extreme fatigue despite very little exertion.    To pretend he could have DHed regularly is folly. 

Nonetheless, you tell us.   It's obvious you believe 65 stamina should be able to DH for 162 games.   What's the breaking point?  At what stamina would a DH have a chance to show fatigue?  60?  55?  25?  10? 
Hence why I said he would have like a 10 dur.  If you're telling me you have a guy who gets winded from moving, then yeah, OK.  But a normal professional baseball player isn't going to get extremely fatigued from playing DH 160 times per year.

But yes, I am "kinda dumb."  I just don't know where I'd be without your inability to see obvious differences between a medically-significant fatigue issue and a normal person.
7/8/2011 10:59 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 7/8/2011 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 8:00:00 AM (view original):
Maybe we need to give this one more time to get some legs.
It's working!
Like a snowball rolling downhill!
7/8/2011 11:01 AM
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He had 189 Abs Vs R
and 87 Abs Vs L

He started both the playoff games against Sabathia and Pettitte. Last time I checked those 2 threw left handed.
7/8/2011 11:06 AM
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I think you need to look at games started.  60 vs. RHP.  18 vs. LHP.  He wasn't a full-time DH no matter how you cut it, and he was clearly favored against RHP.

Some of his starts were because of Morneau's injury.  When he got hurt, they had to shuffle everyone.  If he was there, I'm not sure Thome would have started those playoff games over the Kubel/Young/Cuddyer odd man out.   
7/8/2011 11:11 AM
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Anyway, I'm not arguing that every person in the universe should be able to play DH.  The guy is 40 and there are undoubtedly going to be aches and pains with him that younger players don't get.  Could Thome play 160 games at DH?  I don't know, probably not effectively by the end.  But then again, I think we're talking about a guy who would have a low dur because of his age.

7/8/2011 11:16 AM
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7/8/2011 11:19 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 7/8/2011 11:16:00 AM (view original):

Anyway, I'm not arguing that every person in the universe should be able to play DH.  The guy is 40 and there are undoubtedly going to be aches and pains with him that younger players don't get.  Could Thome play 160 games at DH?  I don't know, probably not effectively by the end.  But then again, I think we're talking about a guy who would have a low dur because of his age.

Exactly, he has a low dur! It doesnt matter why he has it but he does. Just like your guy has a low dur as well.
7/8/2011 12:04 PM
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