How long would you wait to call this guy up? Topic

I'm not sure I'm following.

Which scenario would you rather have for said player:

327, 343, 360, 378, 1.2m, 3.7m
327, 343, 360, 1.2m, 3.7m

And if he's not worth 3.7m to you, than trade/cut him before that.  Either way, you have the player for a dollar amount you like, and for an extra year.

6/5/2013 11:15 AM
If he's someone that can make a difference in the first 20 games of the season, I want him on my team.  
If he's someone that can't make a difference in the first 20 games of the season, I don't care what his salary is in S4.   He's either worth it or he's not.   If he's not, I dump him and bring up another 327k player.

What part of this is difficult to understand?
6/5/2013 11:23 AM
Examples of my 378k guys:
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Orlando Aguilera  Good utility guy.  Can't hit.   Getting 150 PA a season.
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Mark Camp  Back of the staff guy.  Long reliever.  Claimed off waivers to eat some innings.

OA might get one arb before he's cut loose.  Camp won't. 
6/5/2013 11:28 AM
I guess I can find a scenario where a player won't make a significant impact in the first 20 games, but is valuable over the course of the season, and future seasons.  You do not.  You're rolling the dice somewhat, maybe, where if you miss the playoffs by a game, you'll wonder if said player would have helped you.  It's a risk/reward thing.

An example:

whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx

I actually didn't wait to call up the player below.  When he asked for 3.8M this year, I tried to trade him, couldn't and then cut him before his 3rd arb.  He got 1.3M his first year of arb.  He got 2.4M his 2nd year of arb.  Would I have preferred to give him the minimum salary 2 years ago and 1.1M less last year? Of course. Maybe I spend that money in a way that helps me in those 2 last seasons.  And I don't think it would have done much damage to me in that first season if I held him back because the difference between my team and the competing team in my division was 16 games.  I would argue that in hindsight, I should have held him back.  That's my point, that there's a risk/reward you have to look at, and it may make some sense to hold back in some situations. 
6/5/2013 11:59 AM
In the "savings" discussion, you also have to figure in money saved on the player who would play the position for 20 games while your prospect cools his heels in Peoria. One fewer fringe ARB signing or marginal FA retained (or trading the starter he replaces) can make up surpass the money saved by delaying the callup.
6/5/2013 12:31 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 6/5/2013 11:59:00 AM (view original):
I guess I can find a scenario where a player won't make a significant impact in the first 20 games, but is valuable over the course of the season, and future seasons.  You do not.  You're rolling the dice somewhat, maybe, where if you miss the playoffs by a game, you'll wonder if said player would have helped you.  It's a risk/reward thing.

An example:

whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx

I actually didn't wait to call up the player below.  When he asked for 3.8M this year, I tried to trade him, couldn't and then cut him before his 3rd arb.  He got 1.3M his first year of arb.  He got 2.4M his 2nd year of arb.  Would I have preferred to give him the minimum salary 2 years ago and 1.1M less last year? Of course. Maybe I spend that money in a way that helps me in those 2 last seasons.  And I don't think it would have done much damage to me in that first season if I held him back because the difference between my team and the competing team in my division was 16 games.  I would argue that in hindsight, I should have held him back.  That's my point, that there's a risk/reward you have to look at, and it may make some sense to hold back in some situations. 

I won't say there isn't a scenario where I won't hold a guy back.  There are plenty.   However, some act like that's the Holy Grail of HBD play.  It isn't.

I held Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Juan Almonte in a WS winning year.    I had two other players in front of him at 1B.  However, they were underperforming so JA got the call.    But the plan was to bring him up the NEXT season not hold him back 20 in S25.

6/5/2013 12:49 PM
Mike hit it spot on.

"
If he's someone that can make a difference in the first 20 games of the season, I want him on my team.  
If he's someone that can't make a difference in the first 20 games of the season, I don't care what his salary is in S4.   He's either worth it or he's not.   If he's not, I dump him and bring up another 327k player.

What part of this is difficult to understand?
"
6/5/2013 2:42 PM
Honestly, this has been learned thru experience.   I used to have 50 guys I wanted to keep on my 40.   Then I realized the bottom 10 almost always cleared waivers.  For the most part, unless you have some super team, the bottom 2-5 on your BL roster will pass thru waivers untouched.   And far too often, we're playing "hold back 20 games" with them.
6/5/2013 4:18 PM
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