Yeah, i hope to see some incentives to be in an active division.

Strong Conference is reasonably important in recruiting.

Someone mentioned in another post that a huge benefit of a strong conference is for seeding, which I agree with. Get in a conference full of terrible sims and watch your SOS plummet after every game. VERY annoying and not much fun.

There still are benefits of a full human conference, there just aren't as many. Just like prestige....

Spent another 15 minutes and found 3 more I like and think I can get. Of course, snafu will tell me they suck if I sign them but not much I can do about that.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2016 7:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2016 10:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wvufan76 on 12/21/2016 10:19:00 AM (view original):
Mike T23, am I seeing you have a D3 School only at this time, correct? Yeah D3, even to just win games you can recruit much quicker then at D1 just trying to keep from drowning. I have added back two of my squads that I gave up when we started 3.0, but I will never go back to a team in all Worlds, because it does take longer. I also see under 18 as your age, not slamming that, but how about Job, Mortgage, wife, kids, elderly parents, bills to pay, and I can go on. I am really glad that I have gone back to a 9 to 5 job, so I have a couple breaks and lunch to do a couple of real life activities, and maybe recruit one or two guys. When I was in car sales walking the car lot, recruiting was on a "smart phone" when I could and trust me in 3.0 I would have already quit all Worlds...I do not see how guys do that now. In fact I am taking my entire break posting this, and I should actually be paying a bill or two.

But do not think for a minute the guys who win titles at all levels only recruit during commercial breaks watching TV. I see that you and I are both around .500 for our HD Career and unless you have other User Names (I do so you could), you have a 27 season Career in HD. I am not slamming your HoF Status, that is impressive. Please take only the fact that it was quicker to recruit in 2.0, plus some of the old timers had spreadsheet programs designed to aid recruiting. And those are all gone now. How long and how hard it is to recruit is between the user and his goal. For me, I don't stress in a couple Worlds, and in a few others I spend hours looking. We will all get quicker, and perhaps we will have some "Recruiting Aides" designed in the future. But let's all just give it time to shake out.

First, I'll address the age thing. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I had someone look after my HBD teams many years ago. They changed my profile and I thought it was funny. The fact that I've been here since 2002 should probably indicate I'm not under 18. And I'm also not from Cuba. I've gotten several laughs because user such as yourself have looked and A) banged on my age B) banged on my nationality. Thanks for the smile. I'm a middle-aged white man who has owned his own business since 1997. I have all the outside things you mentioned and a few more.

Second, I agree that the higher levels are probably more competitive. Yet, when you're a 16 y/o n00b, D3 is just as challenging. I want to win. I'm sure those at D1 and D2 want to win also. So, despite skill level, that is there.

Finally, I last played in 2006. That was probably 1.0. The game is much different now. However, I know my comfort zone with regards to free time. I just don't think it's all that time consuming. With all the preference options, you can whittle down your options pretty quickly. That said, some may not want to spend 20 minutes initially, 5 minutes today, 8 minutes on Friday, 12 minutes Saturday morning, etc, etc. If one wants to do all of it at once for RS1 and then finish in RS2, I imagine it seems more like a job than fun. It's up to each user to decide HOW they want to do and HOW MUCH TIME they're willing to spend but it just doesn't seem that bad to me.

FWIW, this is why this forum is largely joyless.

wvu# made some assumptions. He missed by about as far as one can miss. I didn't bust his balls. I know he's read this. If his profile is correct, we're probably about the same age(or at least the same generation).

Yet, knowing he's read this, he hasn't bothered to respond. Rather than laugh at his silly assumption based on what he read on the internet, he hopes it goes away.

It's OK to laugh at yourself. Self-deprecation is a good thing. Lighten up.

I am a dispatcher for a HVAC Company, so I am reading this twenty four hors late. Recruiting three worlds, and taking 100 plus incoming phone calls every day (plus shipping/receiving, doing repair estimates, outgoing calls to source stuff and trying to track down service techs). I read forums only when I can, sorry. Thanks for not "busting my balls", but like I said the "Prime" reason of my post was recruiting is more time consuming, end of complaint. Two years ago when I was out of HVAC for about two years, I sold cars. That statement of 3.0 would have ended my HD career comes only from that. Twelve hour days with about ten minutes computer time early in the morning, and all other WIS functions via smart phone. I salute you guys that can recruit and Coach on one....At my age that was a stretch.

Mike, I came down on you solely because of what I percieved a glib attitude that you were recruiting only during commercials now, and doing just fine. My attitude comes from all the Noob's that signed on for free seasons don't need to be soft sold. If we are going to retain them they need reality, and our assistance. Yes you can recruit that way, but you reap what you sow. Mike let's just say we are both saying the same thing, in two different ways. 3.0 does take more time, but it is not the all consuming chore that many people say it is. Remember, two very fine recruiting tools went away forever when 3.0 came in, and many had to actually dig for that information...ie more time.
Yeah I can laugh at myself. I did not ignore you, I just have too little time for forums. My feeling is anybody that can post well thought out posts like your posts, has to be an okay guy. Hope we can share the conference mate status someday, so you will find out that I am Fifty-nine years young, father of three grown sons, with grandkids, and I love HD. My only real hobby other then kids and their kids, so if I go off grid, you now know the reason. Merry Christmas Mike....we good?

Well, you did post a few times before my 7:55 post. And since you were giving me grief because I had no bills, job, wife, elderly parents, mortgage, etc, I assume you knew I'd respond. Which is why, when you were posting, I assumed you read my reply.

I don't know that "I'm doing just fine" with scouting. I know I'm doing better in what accounts to my 3rd effort at it. And that I don't find it all that time-consuming. That's really the only point I was making. Truth is, with your schedule, the "15 minutes here, 8 minutes later, 3 during a commercial" would seem to be the best, or at least most efficient, way for you to scout. As of now, I've spent about 35 minutes on it since the first post. And I don't think I need more time until RS2. I'll probably do a little more, I enjoy it, but I don't think I have to.

We're good. This is make-believe world. I don't take "insults" or whatever you were doing seriously. Happy holidays to you as well.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/22/2016 2:00:00 PM (view original):
Well, you did post a few times before my 7:55 post. And since you were giving me grief because I had no bills, job, wife, elderly parents, mortgage, etc, I assume you knew I'd respond. Which is why, when you were posting, I assumed you read my reply.

I don't know that "I'm doing just fine" with scouting. I know I'm doing better in what accounts to my 3rd effort at it. And that I don't find it all that time-consuming. That's really the only point I was making. Truth is, with your schedule, the "15 minutes here, 8 minutes later, 3 during a commercial" would seem to be the best, or at least most efficient, way for you to scout. As of now, I've spent about 35 minutes on it since the first post. And I don't think I need more time until RS2. I'll probably do a little more, I enjoy it, but I don't think I have to.

We're good. This is make-believe world. I don't take "insults" or whatever you were doing seriously. Happy holidays to you as well.

Learning curve, the only thing that matters. Glad we are good, life is too short to get upset about an imaginary world (cannot believe a few guys really do get wound up).

Mike I will be watching for you in the Worlds.

I despise the time it takes me to complete scouting. I spend more time on scouting right now than I did in the entire recruiting process before. Recruiting actually requires more attention than before. I love the guys who come on here talking about how they spend 10-15 min in sessions here and there, neglecting the fact that their poor game results show what that has gotten them. Yes there are some people who will do fine with that, but it's not for me. I enjoy looking at my recruits and moving on with my thought process in tact. I don't like having to keep a log or backtrack to what I was thinking about the last time I looked. I do that enough at work already. No it's not an issue of adjusting to the new game. I've adjusted just fine. I have 3 ranked teams, and do just fine recruiting, but it's become work.

I've been trying hard to like 3.0, and there are some good additions, but every season that scouting starts I cringe. What was my favorite part of the game in recruiting is now what I dislike most. I loved the simplicity of the game, and the fact that I could get on and be done with everything I needed to do quickly. I've played since 2008, and I think this might be the end of my run. I didn't even bother with camps this last cycle, because honestly, I was just sick of scouting.

If I don't respond to anyone's response to my post within anyone's designated acceptable window, sorry, but not really. Call this what you will, whining, complaining, whatever, but to say it takes less time is just BS, especially when you have site staff agreeing that it takes longer. Not everyone is bored at their job/business they own, and can spend all day on here.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/21/2016 7:07:00 AM (view original):
Since I ruffled some feathers when I told mexmat that I didn't believe he dropped from 6 teams to 1 solely because "scouting is too time-consuming", I kept track of my time during my first scouting session in my 2nd season.

I isolated 12 targets in roughly 15 minutes and scouted to Level 2. Came back a bit later, during a commercial break in Memphis/W KY, and decided on my 2 targets in just a couple of minutes and scouted to Level 3.

While I'm not done, I have a lot of scouting money left(I learned a lot in my first season about just punching buttons), I'm down to the 2 I want in less than 20 minutes. Doubt I'll get both and I may cut another player to add a 3rd but I didn't find it time-consuming at all. I rather enjoyed those 20 minutes.

Mike your arrogance at times is the most frustrating thing about you. I'm sure you're a smart enough guy based on your success with HBD, but it shows how little you know about HD, when you presume to tell someone that you don't believe they are dropping teams due to scouting. I'm likely dropping all 3 of my teams, 100% because of the time it takes for scouting, so I can easily see someone with even more teams dropping them. I've gone from about 1.5 hours total scouting and recruiting to about 1.5 hours or longer just scouting per team.

Who said it takes less time? I said I don't find it time-consuming with the caveat that I come from HBD so my tolerance is probably higher than most.

As for the subtle shot at game results, I'm in my 2nd season. As I'm sure you know, you play with SIMAI recruits in your 1st season. Get back to me in my 5th/6th seasons. I may still have crap results but I doubt it. I may not be challenging for National Titles but I'll be better.

I will say, if you hate scouting/recruiting, you'd probably feel better if you called it a day. I don't think it's gonna change any time in the near future.

I should add that I'm probably around 45 minutes scouting now. Spent another 10ish last night when the Vandals started bulldozing Colorado State and I lost interest. I still have plenty of scouting money left so I can certainly see spending 1.5 hours. But I enjoy it so it certainly does not feel like work to me.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/23/2016 6:23:00 AM (view original):
Who said it takes less time? I said I don't find it time-consuming with the caveat that I come from HBD so my tolerance is probably higher than most.

As for the subtle shot at game results, I'm in my 2nd season. As I'm sure you know, you play with SIMAI recruits in your 1st season. Get back to me in my 5th/6th seasons. I may still have crap results but I doubt it. I may not be challenging for National Titles but I'll be better.

I will say, if you hate scouting/recruiting, you'd probably feel better if you called it a day. I don't think it's gonna change any time in the near future.

To be fair, it actually was not a directed shot specifically at you. It was a general statement, as you are not the only one who has said something similar. That's why the less time statement applies here as well as I've heard quite a few people talk about how this takes them less time which is pretty much impossible, unless you didn't know how to recruit in the first place. You are correct that it won't change anytime soon, and I accepted that early on and have tried to work with it, but it's just not enjoyable. I want to get the players and then spend my time seeing what I can do to get the most out of them.

My personal opinion (and yes, I know it doesn't mean squat, but hey, sometimes we just want to vent), is it would be nice to scale back the amount of scouting required. I'm not saying completely dump it, but let's get rid of useless levels of information (level 1 especially). Also, get rid of any level recruiting. Hell, we could even get rid of the drop down concept and you could only recruit players at your projected level. This would significantly reduce required scouting time and promote more national scouting.

This is another thought, but why do we need to have a set date for the regional camps? I understand the concept of real life, the camp only happens on that date, but I thought we were trying to make this more user friendly. Leave the time open to see the camp anytime before recruiting starts, or even just allow the data from the camp to be pulled at anytime. Yes, this is a personal gripe from me not doing it, but it did make me realize, why is it set up this way.

"I love the guys who come on here talking about how they spend 10-15 min in sessions here and there, neglecting the fact that their poor game results show what that has gotten them"

What guys are those? The people I've seen sharing their efficient processes are doing just fine.

Posted by shoe3 on 12/23/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):
"I love the guys who come on here talking about how they spend 10-15 min in sessions here and there, neglecting the fact that their poor game results show what that has gotten them"

What guys are those? The people I've seen sharing their efficient processes are doing just fine.

The primary culprits being your boys ward, spud, and Mike discussing their 15 min with virtually no results. At least Mike as an excuse for still learning. I didn't say all, as I'm sure many will do fine, but I'd be willing to bet most of those still with high success are not breaking it down in 10 min intervals. For those who are having success doing that, they aren't talking about it on here.