Except you can count on Zeno leaving early and probably Black. At which point you are at a complete restart, and will need six or seven players but only will have resources for five (and thus really 2-3 unless there are a ton of WV recruits).

Posted by droussel4 on 1/11/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mbriese on 1/9/2017 4:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mbriese on 1/9/2017 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Serious question, as I've never coached at D1 - what's the lowest OVR rating (I know individual ratings are the ones that matter, but humor me) player that would be a useful role player on a D1 team by the time he's a senior? If you can't put a 750 as your backup plan and get him, would it kill your team to sign a high potential 600 OVR guy that could eventually develop to an 800+?

About this question doe

mbriese..to try and answer your question. My current WVU team is ranked #3 in Knight, 10-0. It's been a steady build since way before the change to 3.0. I landed my first 5 star recruit before the changeover to 3.0, so the rebuild was gaining steam as the game transitioned.

My recruiting strategy has basically followed what you were asking about. When you're not a powerhouse in 2.0, you never really had a good chance to land the top tier players. That obviously changed in 3.0.

Each season since 3.0, I have targeted heavily 1-2 highly ranked players. My luck has been below average on these top guys. I've only landed one guy who was really top tier, my Soph. SG Black (#4 SG). I have lost a bunch of top guys to higher prestige programs. The key for me to build this current team has been to try and find those 2nd and 3rd tier players with huge upside. I think I've done a pretty good job with that. https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=13076

Seniors
Wells #23PG - 650-->815
Owens #39PF - 601-->881
Crume #11 SF (from WV) - 681-->884

Juniors
Zeno #15C - 664-->925
Grunewald #31PF - 635-->726 (recruited to be a backup until senior year when owens leave, if not replaced by a better player first)

Soph
Black #4SG - 761-->859 (finally got my top target)
Rizzo (international) - 660-->705 (recruited to be a backup role player)
Bradley #87SG - 563-->619 (athletic defender recruited to be a junior/senior backup)
Russo (international) - 535-->603 redshirted - currently serviceable at 9 minutes a game

Frosh
Lost out on top recruit (juco who would've played 20+ min)
Landed backup option #15 SF Harland from WV, who isn't very athletic.

This season's recruiting will make or break WVU for the next few years. 2 good players returning, but need to fill those senior holes with players who can play right away. Should be a challenge.

droussel4, thanks for that post. Clearly, recruiting under 3.0 works well if a coach makes it work well. I hope it serves as an antidote to all the whining by guys who don't make it work well and blame the game instead of owning their own success or lack of success.

Luck of the draw does not constitute success. My team is the shining example of that. I've won all battles except vs a DII team last season. The dismantlement of "dynasties" in HD3.0 is wrong, great teams shouldn't be punished for having success. Stewdoggs GEorgia Tech is and example of that, he is great great coach so he'll over achieve with any team but to purposely design a system to destroy the best is not the American way.

Teddy Roosevelt would approve of this trust busting 3.0

Posted by all2matt on 1/12/2017 6:09:00 PM (view original):
Luck of the draw does not constitute success. My team is the shining example of that. I've won all battles except vs a DII team last season. The dismantlement of "dynasties" in HD3.0 is wrong, great teams shouldn't be punished for having success. Stewdoggs GEorgia Tech is and example of that, he is great great coach so he'll over achieve with any team but to purposely design a system to destroy the best is not the American way.

Where have you been the last 8 years? Any of this sound familiar?

"You didn't build that"
"Pay your fair share"

"Luck of the draw does not constitute success." True.

"great teams shouldn't be punished for having success" You're right. And they aren't.

"to purposely design a system to destroy the best is not the American way" Right again. And they didn't.

Disclaimer: the above is not meant to discourage guys who don't get 3.0 and blame the game for their shortcomings. Go ahead and blame the game, but how about getting more creative in your whining? The same old whines day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day are boring.

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:29:00 PM (view original):
"Luck of the draw does not constitute success." True.

"great teams shouldn't be punished for having success" You're right. And they aren't.

"to purposely design a system to destroy the best is not the American way" Right again. And they didn't.

Disclaimer: the above is not meant to discourage guys who don't get 3.0 and blame the game for their shortcomings. Go ahead and blame the game, but how about getting more creative in your whining? The same old whines day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day are boring.

You should block the whiners.

I should block the boring trolls following me around. Don't you have something better to do?

Posted by Benis on 1/12/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:29:00 PM (view original):
"Luck of the draw does not constitute success." True.

"great teams shouldn't be punished for having success" You're right. And they aren't.

"to purposely design a system to destroy the best is not the American way" Right again. And they didn't.

Disclaimer: the above is not meant to discourage guys who don't get 3.0 and blame the game for their shortcomings. Go ahead and blame the game, but how about getting more creative in your whining? The same old whines day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day are boring.

You should block the whiners.

I did. For about two hours. Then I realized this forum no longer existed.

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):
I should block the boring trolls following me around. Don't you have something better to do?

Not really. But yeah you should block me along with the other trolls and whiners. You won't have to complain as much and you'll be much happier.

Just an idea.

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):
I should block the boring trolls following me around. Don't you have something better to do?

Posted by Bevis on 1/12/2017 8:41 PM
... Not really.

That's sad. I hope you have good luck getting a life some day.

No one on this site should tell anyone to get a life. You do realize what you're doing here, right?

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):
I should block the boring trolls following me around. Don't you have something better to do?

Posted by Bevis on 1/12/2017 8:41 PM
... Not really.

That's sad. I hope you have good luck getting a life some day.

I'm trying. My parents told me to go out and make a friend. I found you. Its been really great.

Posted by Benis on 1/12/2017 9:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/12/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):
I should block the boring trolls following me around. Don't you have something better to do?

Posted by Bevis on 1/12/2017 8:41 PM
... Not really.

That's sad. I hope you have good luck getting a life some day.

I'm trying. My parents told me to go out and make a friend. I found you. Its been really great.

Riddle: What happens when Benis hangs out near Spudhole?


Answer: Banal



Thank you. I will be here all week.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/12/2017 8:48:00 PM (view original):
No one on this site should tell anyone to get a life. You do realize what you're doing here, right?

Yeah, working late. Work computer in front of me, personal computer to my side with WIS on it. No one looking over my shoulder.

BTW, how ineffably sad is it when Bevis admits his friend is an online screen name? So many kids spend so much time in front of a screen these says, it might not be as rare as it used to be, but it's still pretty pathological.