Posted by zhawks on 1/31/2017 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

I understand what you're looking for I was just somewhat curious if VH v VH or VH v H if starts/promises don't feed into that as much but are somehow used in the 'final' decision in a way we don't understand at this point. I get you want a drop dead % of how often you should win v not and I was wondering if there was any insight into you losing VH v H when they offered start and you didn't, etc.

I was under the impression that your standing as a VH or H was after calculating all effort put into a recruit. Are you asking if starts could influence a recruit in a way that would be invisible to your standing as a VH or H? IOW, starts may give a H an equal chance or better to sign a recruit versus a VH? Perhaps I don't understand what you are asking... I apologize.

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/31/2017 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

Refer back to my post please!

Why?

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/31/2017 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

Refer back to my post please!

Why?

It tells you the percent on effort used.

noleaniml - i am not sure exactly how it works, it was more of a speculation, yes I assume that Start/Mins goes into getting H/VH but I'm curious if Start/Mins has an almost doubling effect, in making it also more likely you'll win if VH/H.

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/31/2017 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/31/2017 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/31/2017 9:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zhawks on 1/30/2017 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by noleaniml on 1/30/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
While I have no problem with people offering their advice on how to approach recruiting, I just want to be clear that my issues and questions have nothing to do with strategy. My starting assumption is that one would already be at VH or H on a recruit. How you got there is irrelevant.

How many have you lost where you'd offered starts and or mins?

Yes, but that doesn't matter in the context of what I am interested in. The bottom line is, if you are at Very High or High on a recruit you have a chance. Perhaps I was not ahead on some of the VH vs. VH battles, but I would wager that I was on at least some of them. Regardless, I was definitely ahead on the VH vs. H battles that I've lost also. What I am interested in is what are the range of percentage chances of each level vs. another. IOW, does two teams at VH mean that either team has a 45-55% chance to sign that player? Or is it more like 35-65%? And what about VH vs. H? Does the VH team have a 60-70% chance, while the H team has a 30-40% chance?

I also was interested in hearing from anyone who has had won a bunch of battles just to see what their results were. Not their strategy, their results. Again, I don't mind people discussing strategy at all. I was just trying to clarify my intention considering where the thread has gone.

Refer back to my post please!

Why?

It tells you the percent on effort used.

It's not documented well enough and presented clearly enough to tell me anything.

Noleanimal -

I've collected results of 162 VH v H battles and the High team has won 29% of the time.

Ok, so I just lost my first very high vs high matchup, where I was the very high. This is total crap. It makes no sense. So in essence, yeah I love your school, and I like that school a lot, so I'll go to the one I like a lot vs. the one I love. That makes no sense. I've seen in this thread the suggestion that the preferences make a difference, but if that's the case then both schools should be high or very high. If your preferences don't match up, then no matter how much money you put in, your team will never be very high on that recruits list of preferences. There's no way these battles should be lost. Very high vs. very high is fine. It doesn't matter who wins in that situation. Very high losing to a high is pure BS. What's the point of taking the lead if it doesn't mean anything. I like everything about 3.0 so far, and would really miss playing this game after all this time, but this might be a killer.

Posted by bigbuck75 on 1/31/2017 6:04:00 PM (view original):
Ok, so I just lost my first very high vs high matchup, where I was the very high. This is total crap. It makes no sense. So in essence, yeah I love your school, and I like that school a lot, so I'll go to the one I like a lot vs. the one I love. That makes no sense. I've seen in this thread the suggestion that the preferences make a difference, but if that's the case then both schools should be high or very high. If your preferences don't match up, then no matter how much money you put in, your team will never be very high on that recruits list of preferences. There's no way these battles should be lost. Very high vs. very high is fine. It doesn't matter who wins in that situation. Very high losing to a high is pure BS. What's the point of taking the lead if it doesn't mean anything. I like everything about 3.0 so far, and would really miss playing this game after all this time, but this might be a killer.

Preferences help you get to VH but are not an absolute requirement.

And taking the lead isn't worthless. If you are VH and the other team is H then you have about a 70% chance of signing the recruit. That's not a guarantee but it still means you'll win more than you lose.

Posted by Benis on 1/31/2017 6:02:00 PM (view original):
Noleanimal -

I've collected results of 162 VH v H battles and the High team has won 29% of the time.

Thanks. I'm starting to see ~30% regularly for VH vs. H. It's funny, in theory- I would say that seems like a good number. But in practice (meaning I've lost too much- LOL) it feels like way too much.

In HBD, if you lose 40% of the time, you still had a good season. I guess it's just perspective.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/31/2017 6:31:00 PM (view original):
In HBD, if you lose 40% of the time, you still had a good season. I guess it's just perspective.

Comparing losing a game and losing a recruiting battle is apples to oranges IMO

From your perspective, I guess.

Posted by Benis on 1/31/2017 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/31/2017 6:31:00 PM (view original):
In HBD, if you lose 40% of the time, you still had a good season. I guess it's just perspective.

Comparing losing a game and losing a recruiting battle is apples to oranges IMO

Especially in two different sports.

So why can't someone at moderate beat someone at very high with a 1% chance? That seems way to arbitrary. Again if that 70/30 is the underlying percentage in a VH vs VH battle based on preferences or whatever, fine. But this is way too arbitrary. Having a clear lead means nothing. It's pretty hard to recruit if you have to know when to "play it cool" and hang back on a guy and he'll just fall in your lap.

Why do you keep saying that having a lead means nothing?