Posted by seble on 5/15/2018 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Hey guys,

We haven't done anything to specifically prevent this tool from working. I don't have any idea what it's even doing to even know what might have affected it. In the end, the responsibility would fall to the creator of the application to account for changes on our end.

Thanks for the quick response, it is appreciated and a change to the prior regime. I don't think anybody assumed this was on purpose, however you may not be aware of the importance of the tools toward the game experience.
With that said, I would like to echo the high importance of the yatzr tool and GUESS rankings to a very significant portion of the player base. Just to wit, whenever there are podcasts or youtube videos on the game, people generally use these tools as a starting point as otherwise it is just exponentially more time intensive to gain some sort of basic orientation. I simply would not have the necessary time to play the game in any meaningful way without it. I can keep this up for a week or so without it, but then my boss and my wife will start putting a stop to it. I expect it is similar for many others.

I understand the importance of the tool to the community. If yatzr can provide some insight into the error, then I might be able to help.

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

Posted by seble on 5/15/2018 5:22:00 PM (view original):
I understand the importance of the tool to the community. If yatzr can provide some insight into the error, then I might be able to help.

That is awesome. Agree with someones earlier post complimenting the far better customer service the past few months.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

You are not misunderstanding.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

If the yatzr tool is reaching in and getting the green/yellow data too, that is a whole 'nother level of detail.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

If the yatzr tool is reaching in and getting the green/yellow data too, that is a whole 'nother level of detail.

What are you talking about? The base program already does that. Yatzr just makes it faster. Which is the whole point.

Can anyone post an error message?

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

If the yatzr tool is reaching in and getting the green/yellow data too, that is a whole 'nother level of detail.

What are you talking about? The base program already does that. Yatzr just makes it faster. Which is the whole point.

The "base program" shows who the recruit is "considering", not whether your competitors (or potential competitors) are green or yellow or red.

May 15, 2018 5:26:05 PM - Error getting recruit tool version. -1
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
at java.util.ArrayList.elementData(Unknown Source)
at java.util.ArrayList.get(Unknown Source)
at action.DownloadUtil.getRecruitToolVersion(DownloadUtil.java:117)
at share.RecruiterGUI.<init>(RecruiterGUI.java:175)
at share.RecruiterGUI.main(RecruiterGUI.java:132)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.jdt.internal.jarinjarloader.JarRsrcLoader.main(JarRsrcLoader.java:58)
May 15, 2018 5:26:27 PM - Hit go from Considering Updater
May 15, 2018 5:26:27 PM - Starting thread to grab recruits.
May 15, 2018 5:26:28 PM - In thread to grab recruits.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

If the yatzr tool is reaching in and getting the green/yellow data too, that is a whole 'nother level of detail.

What are you talking about? The base program already does that. Yatzr just makes it faster. Which is the whole point.

The "base program" shows who the recruit is "considering", not whether your competitors (or potential competitors) are green or yellow or red.

huh?

If I use the base program, click on a player, and see the recruit is considering me, you and a sim, I know that the recruit is yellow to both you and me.

If I click on a recruit and see only your team, I know he is green to you.

If I click on a recruit and don't see your team listed, I know he is red to you.

Posted by seble on 5/15/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):
Can anyone post an error message?

I don't get in error message. Yatzr and WIS aren't connecting/communicating to each other for some reason. I have sent some logs to yatzr to look at.

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 5/15/2018 6:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by flexmagnum on 5/15/2018 6:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/15/2018 5:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bdramsey71 on 5/15/2018 5:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hypnotoad on 5/15/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):
" Gridiron Dynasty would be essentially unplayable without this tool as the recruiting and scouting functions in the main UI are rudimentary compared to his tool. "

This is not true. Plenty of people recruit quite well without the tool. Yatzr and Bhazlewood have done great work and contributed a lot, but a lot of users get by without either.

A lot of users get by is not the same as the tools are equal. My statement said the UI in GD is rudimentary compared to the YATZR tools and that is accurate. The unplayable part could be harsh but I think the value you gain in the recruiting front is extreme when using the tool versus not using. Just the ability to see green and yellow for the other teams is a key aspect I don't think is replicated in the GD UI.

Back up... the yatzr tool always showed my competitors whether I was green yellow or red on individual recruits?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding that.

I did not know this.

How cheap

You can already tell which teams are on what players without using yatzr. It just takes more clicks.

If the yatzr tool is reaching in and getting the green/yellow data too, that is a whole 'nother level of detail.

What are you talking about? The base program already does that. Yatzr just makes it faster. Which is the whole point.

The "base program" shows who the recruit is "considering", not whether your competitors (or potential competitors) are green or yellow or red.

huh?

If I use the base program, click on a player, and see the recruit is considering me, you and a sim, I know that the recruit is yellow to both you and me.

If I click on a recruit and see only your team, I know he is green to you.

If I click on a recruit and don't see your team listed, I know he is red to you.

Don't be such a realist.