Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 6/24/2018 10:31:00 AM (view original):
I happily run a combo defense. It’s not a problem.

You can’t have it all. You prioritize and make choices. If snafu thinks it’s really important to spend 54-58 minutes on sets, then he’s going to lose development somewhere else. That’s how games work, there should be no golden ticket or silver bullet.

Not sure where you are getting "golden ticket" or "silver bullet" from. In every one of your posts you seem to relish the experience of wagging your finger at someone and assuming a condescending tone.

I know very well the growth limitations when running a combo defense, and accept that as part of that plan. I don't expect to max my guys out by Jr year, I hope that I may be able to by the end of their Sr. year. For my style of play, the benefits of the combo defense are more important to me.

My complaint is not that there aren't enough minutes to go around as you are implying, or that I should be given some kind of special arrangement since I run a combo. My complaint is the ridiculous inconsistency in this particular instance with this particular player. It is an inconsistency because in 135 seasons I have never seen it happen before. It is an outlier, well beyond the scope of normal or expected. My complaint is that I more than doubled a guys SH practice minutes and did not see any gains at all in his GPA. My complaint is that with far less in SH that I had allocated in the final semester, he pulled a 2.9 GPA, yet with an increase in minutes he could only pull a 1.8. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up, it is a terribly annoying outlier that defies logic and has had a tangible effect on my season. If you want to wag your finger like a prissy step-mom with a stick up her bum go right ahead, but at least have the self respect to do it over things actually being argued instead of making up straw men.

You’re projecting condescension, but if that’s what you’re going to take away from this, it is what it is. Good luck.

As for golden tickets and silver bullets: You think it’s a “dumb part of the game.” It isn’t. It’s very intelligent, in fact, to use probability to simulate the consequences of our choices. What would be dumb would be having an if/then formula for players to use to determine if players go ineligible. Or an if/then formula to determine when a player transfers if you don’t keep your promises.

If you don’t want a risk of ineligible players, stop trying to skimp on study hall. If you’re going to skimp on study hall, you are going to be at some risk of ineligible. Don’t skimp on study hall, experience the consequences, and then come to the forum to complain about a dumb system. You are experiencing the consequences of your choice. Freshmen have more volatility. Everyone who has paid any amount of attention to this part of the game knows that.

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/24/2018 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Unlike everyone else I feel for Snafu a lot. The 2.9 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the good, the 1.8 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the bad. It's a pretty dumb part of the game, but I guess another poor ramification of the combo defense

Thanks cubcub113--this is all I really want. Someone else to recognize its a dumb part of the game and I was utterly funked by an incredibly improbable RNG--you know the WIS forum equivalent of a big hug and encouragement that everyone is actually out to get me and the game is unfair to me and only me.

Oh i feel for ya too! I'd be ******! I'm not giving the attitude of "you chose it, so deal with it!". Most of my discussion really wasn't directed at your situation. But at study hall minutes as a whole. Your situation is an odd way for things to play out. My comment was basically saying that I play "safety first!" because of what you're dealing with now, and that's it.

We all choose to play a certain way. And the combo defense choice is intriguing, can be very successful, and it also comes with some difficulties. I'd suck if i tried that! But it's clear you've done well with it. Impressive. And honestly if this is the first time you've had this happen, I'd chalk it up to dumb bad luck. And don't change a thing.

There is something to be said for being a “cautionary tale”.

Posted by topdogggbm on 6/24/2018 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/24/2018 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Unlike everyone else I feel for Snafu a lot. The 2.9 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the good, the 1.8 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the bad. It's a pretty dumb part of the game, but I guess another poor ramification of the combo defense

Thanks cubcub113--this is all I really want. Someone else to recognize its a dumb part of the game and I was utterly funked by an incredibly improbable RNG--you know the WIS forum equivalent of a big hug and encouragement that everyone is actually out to get me and the game is unfair to me and only me.

Oh i feel for ya too! I'd be ******! I'm not giving the attitude of "you chose it, so deal with it!". Most of my discussion really wasn't directed at your situation. But at study hall minutes as a whole. Your situation is an odd way for things to play out. My comment was basically saying that I play "safety first!" because of what you're dealing with now, and that's it.

We all choose to play a certain way. And the combo defense choice is intriguing, can be very successful, and it also comes with some difficulties. I'd suck if i tried that! But it's clear you've done well with it. Impressive. And honestly if this is the first time you've had this happen, I'd chalk it up to dumb bad luck. And don't change a thing.

Thanks homeslice! I appreciate or contributions to my rant thread.

Posted by shoe3 on 6/24/2018 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 6/24/2018 10:31:00 AM (view original):
I happily run a combo defense. It’s not a problem.

You can’t have it all. You prioritize and make choices. If snafu thinks it’s really important to spend 54-58 minutes on sets, then he’s going to lose development somewhere else. That’s how games work, there should be no golden ticket or silver bullet.

Not sure where you are getting "golden ticket" or "silver bullet" from. In every one of your posts you seem to relish the experience of wagging your finger at someone and assuming a condescending tone.

I know very well the growth limitations when running a combo defense, and accept that as part of that plan. I don't expect to max my guys out by Jr year, I hope that I may be able to by the end of their Sr. year. For my style of play, the benefits of the combo defense are more important to me.

My complaint is not that there aren't enough minutes to go around as you are implying, or that I should be given some kind of special arrangement since I run a combo. My complaint is the ridiculous inconsistency in this particular instance with this particular player. It is an inconsistency because in 135 seasons I have never seen it happen before. It is an outlier, well beyond the scope of normal or expected. My complaint is that I more than doubled a guys SH practice minutes and did not see any gains at all in his GPA. My complaint is that with far less in SH that I had allocated in the final semester, he pulled a 2.9 GPA, yet with an increase in minutes he could only pull a 1.8. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up, it is a terribly annoying outlier that defies logic and has had a tangible effect on my season. If you want to wag your finger like a prissy step-mom with a stick up her bum go right ahead, but at least have the self respect to do it over things actually being argued instead of making up straw men.

You’re projecting condescension, but if that’s what you’re going to take away from this, it is what it is. Good luck.

As for golden tickets and silver bullets: You think it’s a “dumb part of the game.” It isn’t. It’s very intelligent, in fact, to use probability to simulate the consequences of our choices. What would be dumb would be having an if/then formula for players to use to determine if players go ineligible. Or an if/then formula to determine when a player transfers if you don’t keep your promises.

If you don’t want a risk of ineligible players, stop trying to skimp on study hall. If you’re going to skimp on study hall, you are going to be at some risk of ineligible. Don’t skimp on study hall, experience the consequences, and then come to the forum to complain about a dumb system. You are experiencing the consequences of your choice. Freshmen have more volatility. Everyone who has paid any amount of attention to this part of the game knows that.

I don’t see how you can think it’s skimping to more than double a players study hall minutes when faced with a sub par midterm. Specifically, to put them roughly 30% higher than where he was when he pulled a 2.9. If I was skipping I would have put him back up to 6 where he pulled the 2.9, instead I played it safe by going up to 9, way above where he had success before.

Imagine there's no gpa
It's easy if you try
No grades to judge us
So I can play my back up guy
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

“I don’t see how you can think it’s skimping to more than double a players study hall minutes when faced with a sub par midterm. Specifically, to put them roughly 30% higher than where he was when he pulled a 2.9. If I was skipping I would have put him back up to 6 where he pulled the 2.9, instead I played it safe by going up to 9, way above where he had success before.”

You were skimping by aiming for 2.5. This guy had a fairly low HS GPA. Starting him at 8 isn’t unreasonable, but when he posted a 2.5 at midterm you said “Cool!” and decreased his minutes. That’s the first instance of skimp.

Then he manages to pull off a decent GPA for the semester. This was a very fortunate roll for you. But it means you got lucky, it doesn’t mean you’re dealing with a closet genius who doesn’t need to study. He was a 2.5 HS GPA guy, you had no reason to believe he was going to be fine at 4 minutes as a freshman. But you drop him even further down to 4 to start the second semester anyway, because 2.9! I guess. This is the second instance.

Being at 4 minutes for the first half of the last semester hurt him; every game he was posting a deficit you were going to have to make up. He fooled you with a good roll the first semester; this is not a 3.0 student. So I get that you feel like you “doubled” his SH minutes after the second midterm, but in reality, you just got him back to where he should have stayed to begin with. You didn’t account for the deficit. That deficit put him at risk. To stay clear of trouble, you should have either 1) declined to drop him, and just kept him at 8 all season, or 2) when he started going under, you should have accounted for the deficit. That means 12, IMO, which gets him back to roughly an average of 8 for the semester. That doesn’t guarantee he stays eligible, but if you’re looking at this as a cumulative minutes formula sort of deal, that’s where you shoot for to get to baseline.

Bravo, pk, bravo!

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 6/24/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cardman17 on 6/24/2018 12:24:00 AM (view original):
Same kinda ******** that walk through life going, "man, I got bad luck."

I love this guy

I just assumed it was mikeT's alt account

I'm more like that ***** Dr. Phil, I just state the obvious.

"Now listen here, sanfu. You caint just be all Willy nilly with yur study hall minutes. Your here to nurture this seed and make sure he grows strong in all aspects like a big tree. And that means nurturing his mind too."

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 6/24/2018 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 6/24/2018 2:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/24/2018 9:37:00 AM (view original):
Unlike everyone else I feel for Snafu a lot. The 2.9 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the good, the 1.8 was like a 5 in 100 rng for the bad. It's a pretty dumb part of the game, but I guess another poor ramification of the combo defense

Thanks cubcub113--this is all I really want. Someone else to recognize its a dumb part of the game and I was utterly funked by an incredibly improbable RNG--you know the WIS forum equivalent of a big hug and encouragement that everyone is actually out to get me and the game is unfair to me and only me.

Oh i feel for ya too! I'd be ******! I'm not giving the attitude of "you chose it, so deal with it!". Most of my discussion really wasn't directed at your situation. But at study hall minutes as a whole. Your situation is an odd way for things to play out. My comment was basically saying that I play "safety first!" because of what you're dealing with now, and that's it.

We all choose to play a certain way. And the combo defense choice is intriguing, can be very successful, and it also comes with some difficulties. I'd suck if i tried that! But it's clear you've done well with it. Impressive. And honestly if this is the first time you've had this happen, I'd chalk it up to dumb bad luck. And don't change a thing.

Thanks homeslice! I appreciate or contributions to my rant thread.

I've had a weird thing happen with GPA too. Didn't really make sense and haven't seen anything like it again.

in my experience, you cannot count on trends to continue in grades or for effects to be linear

if a kid matters and shows anything below say 2.8, I boost the study hall - and below 2.5 I boost it a ton

given the significant randomness is grades, you took a risk

"Then he manages to pull off a decent GPA for the semester. This was a very fortunate roll for you. But it means you got lucky, it doesn’t mean you’re dealing with a closet genius who doesn’t need to study. He was a 2.5 HS GPA guy, you had no reason to believe he was going to be fine at 4 minutes as a freshman. But you drop him even further down to 4 to start the second semester anyway, because 2.9! I guess. This is the second instance."

I again disagree that it was "getting lucky" that he had a good GPA with reduced minutes. That is consistent with all my experience with the game. Look at my other freshmen this season--all of them finished the season either even or improved, with the reduced minutes, consistent with what they had done in the previous midterms and first semester.

NAME	HS GPA	Initial SH Min	1st MidTerm GPA	New SH Min	1st Sem Final GPA	New SH Min	2nd Midterm	New SH Min	2nd Sem Final GPA
Olsen, Seth	3.00	7	2.7	6	3.0	3	2.8	1	2.8
Koonce, Mac	2.70	8	2.6	6	2.9	4	2.2	5	2.4
Whitcomb, Joshua	2.53	8	2.5	6	2.9	4	1.8	9	1.8
Kendrick, Alvin	2.81	7	2.4	6	3.1	3	2.5	2	2.5
Cool, Rodney	3.10	7	2.9	5	3.4	3	2.7	1	2.7

You lowered it after he posted a 2.5, you messed up man. Everybody else's grades went down with your distribution. It's you.

He had to test in just to become eligible for college, he's not a great student.

Your experience should have also informed you that freshmen can be volatile. Aiming at 2.5 is skimping. I’m not saying it’s dumb or unreasonable, but it’s a choice you’re making. Sometimes it’s going to result in a volatile result burning you.